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Re: Brendan in, how long...??
Shaggydog #279500 02/11/12 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted By: Shaggydog
Do you consider last season a success?


Definitely not, especially the 2nd half. This is why I am expecting an improvement.
Re: Brendan in, how long...??
EnergisedReds #279501 02/11/12 12:42 PM
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Well then why infer that we were in some way successul under Dalglish as you did in your last post and that BR would have to improve upon that.

I idolised Dalglish as a player but as a manager (2nd time) he was an unmitigated disaster.

Dalglish left an awful mess behind him and took us to 8th after spending £100m.

BR has had to clear that mess up before he can start to make his own mark on the club. So it is unfair to judge him after 3 months.
Re: Brendan in, how long...??
Shaggydog #279503 02/11/12 12:47 PM
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Shaggy he was a disaster first time out as well. That was the start of the clubs decline from which we have never recovered 20 years on. Great player though no question over that and he loves the club.

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Re: Brendan in, how long...??
Shaggydog #279506 02/11/12 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted By: Shaggydog
Well then why infer that we were in some way successul under Dalglish as you did in your last post and that BR would have to improve upon that.

I idolised Dalglish as a player but as a manager (2nd time) he was an unmitigated disaster.

Dalglish left an awful mess behind him and took us to 8th after spending £100m.

BR has had to clear that mess up before he can start to make his own mark on the club. So it is unfair to judge him after 3 months.





Just so say what he achieved with the dross he bought. I agree though that his purchases were bad.

Again I am not judging BR after 3 months, i just want an improvement AT THE END OF THE SEASON over last year. It would be easier for him to achieve this by winning matches we won last year, isn't it?
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Stanley Park #279507 02/11/12 12:55 PM
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I would debate with you about first time around though not with any great confidence.

He did inherit possibly the best team in Europe at the time so it wasn't the challenge he faced the 2nd time around.

What a player though.


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Re: Brendan in, how long...??
van Gogh #279512 02/11/12 01:20 PM
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He has come in to a big football club that under-performed massively by finishing 8th in the league. Making a few changes here & there doesn't explain sliding down to the bottom half of the table and doing worse than the manager who has just been sacked.


As far as I can remember we were really pathetic from January and up to the end of last season. Only 5 wins there, beating Wolves away 0-3, Everton home 3-0, Blackburn way 2-3, Norwich away 0-3 and Chelsea home 4-1. In total we got just 18 points over the last 19 PL games of the season.

To suggest that we have fallen compared to that is just madness, as is stating that BR is doing a worse job than KD. What made the club sack Dalglish was definitely more likely the finish of last season, not finishing 8:th itself.

Here are our half term stats from last year in full:

1:st: 19 played, 9 wins, 7 draws, 3 losses, 34 points
2:nd: 19 played, 5 wins, 3 draws, 11 losses, 18 points

Does that not say it all?


Not really. If we'd been top of the league at the halfway point and won only 18 points in the second half of the season, we would probably have finished in 3rd place. Would kenny still have been sacked for the second half performance? of course not - it was the overall position which was the nail in the coffin, but there were other disasters as well such as his stinking attitude whilst representing our great club at press conferences, and the massive fortune blown on mediocre/poor players.
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Not really. If we'd been top of the league at the halfway point and won only 18 points in the second half of the season, we would probably have finished in 3rd place. Would kenny still have been sacked for the second half performance? of course not - it was the overall position which was the nail in the coffin, but there were other disasters as well such as his stinking attitude whilst representing our great club at press conferences, and the massive fortune blown on mediocre/poor players.


If we had been top of the league at the end of December 2011, we would have had at least 45-46 points (City and Manure both had 45 at that point). 18 points on top of that would have given us 63-64 points and 6:th or 7:th place.

So my point still stands: The second part of the season (in PL) ruined it for KD!
Re: Brendan in, how long...??
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Yes you are right but we need to make sure we have the right man. Only progress on the field will prove that and hopefully by the end of the season we will be fixed.
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Re: Brendan in, how long...??
Snakeye #279606 02/11/12 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: Snakeye
He needs to run his contract and given at least 2 years to fix this club, I am not sure about his transfer business side but so far his new system is growing on us nicely, just needs to solve the defensive issues and we should be fine but we need investment and that comes form the owners not him.

'Just needs to solve the defensive issues and we should be fine' No snakeye, even though we do have a defensive issue, we have an even bigger striking issue, not to mention a defensive midfield issue, and then we have a goalkeeping issue and if that wasn't enough we have a hell of an owner issue, so lets not be blinded by too much positivity, even though I love to bask in the warm glow of that fine place myself. We have a lot to do before this squad is top 4 quality unless BR can do a Merlin for us, and even though I love his brand of football he hasn't looked like a Merlin so far.
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