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And for the record I agree with a lot of what Kopprophet and Vexed are saying in that using a certain word in the heat of the moment doesn't necessarily make a person racist. However, it still doesn't meant that the use of the word is acceptable or should become acceptable.

I also agree that the media use anything controversial or sensational to sell newspapers, however, regardless of how they portray things surely society shouldn't accept any of the recent behaviour by players, fans etc as appropriate or acceptable either.

My many issue in this thread has been the crazy notion that Racism doesn't exist in football or seemingly todays society.

just think it's all a load of rubbish, completely blown out of all proportion, so what if people get called names, call them names back and move on, too many over sensative people nowadays who want protecting and molly coddling. I think some people need to accept life is'nt fair and stand up for themselves instead of relying on others to do your fighting for them, just fed up with it all as its getting well out of hand, where do you draw the line as somebody somewhere is going to be upset with something or another.

Firstly, when people are talking about their football related views then yeah fine everyone should be allowed to spout what ever they like; however, in this instance i think what I have said in relation to your comments is very very justified and I have been far more pleasant than what could be justified.

Secondly, racial hatred and discrimination is still a huge problem all over the world. What about the recent incidents in Serbia? There have similar and regular incidents in many eastern block countries not to mention italy and spain. [/quote]


Tell me more... [/quote]



You want me to tell you more about the monkey chants thats some of the U21 players were subject too in Serbia? [/quote]

There's a lot of conflicting claims about that match, when the chants started, rose's part in inciting the trouble, and a huge question mark over the authenticity of his claims about being on the end of numerous items thrown at him. People readily accepted his version of events - is that because he is black? or was it because the fans were serbian and we are english therefore they must be lying? the fact that everyone accepted his version of events tells me that our society is not racist - not towards black people anyway.
From what I have seen and heard, it's not as 'black & white' as it was first thought. So unless you have some new evidence I'd leave it there.

It was me that mentioned that (4:50pm), but don't worry about it.

Once people digest what I am saying, and forget which bandwagon they are on, they often realise I speak at least 'some' sense.
No apology needed - we are all adults and things can easily get heated. If you have insulted me - don't worry, I can handle a bit of name calling.....

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I think its fantastic these issues are coming up as it just means a better civil society than has come b4. in the 80's u could throw a banana at john barnes and get away with it , now u can't say peep and its great. pretty soon it won't even be an issue because it will become inherent in people not to refer to someones skin colour or ethnic origin in a negative way. Great. now all we need do is take down the corporations and the state systems which support them.

But do you not think you get a reverse racism in effect racisim as people don't behave naturally to one another (people over correct or don't get involved for fear of an accusation) and there is no question some victim groups exploit the situation. In some ways the John Barnes era was far LESS racist as the racisim that did occur was obvious and hence easier to control. I am not advocating going back to that just making the point that unless its totally natural and fair to everyone (including white people)it will not work.

thick skinned people should bekicked out of britain , thin skinned is better

Not true the barnes thing was more personal he was one of the few black players certainly in merseyside, some teams now are 80 percent black, i would have understood if barnes went off pitch crying , its laughable that they are as offended by it now as barnes was then. They use it go gain advantage and to get others punished

Barnes and crookes etc were making a stand for black players

these new breed are a scandal and a joke, they are not really offended by chants they are not making a stand for their fellow etnhic players they are doing it because they are primadonnas,if the referre said something about matas nose, or about his mother he would have probably rolled around on the floor crying, but would the media take any interest./? no