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Name calling leads to further forms of racism. Footballers are unfortunately role models (albeit terrible ones) and their actions influence people and if they are seen to get away with racist actions, it feeds into peoples habits subconsciously.
Calling someone fat or ginger doesn't come from the same area that racism comes from which is fear and ignorance. I don't think anyone should ever be slagged off about anything but people have never been hounded out of their houses or denied jobs because they are fat or ginger whereas this has happened based on race or creed I bet you damn good money that people have been refused jobs for being fat! There is nothing to suggest that racial name calling has anything to do with fear or ignorance. If you're angry with someone and were going to call them something you use the most obvious thing that springs to mind....sometimes it's ginger hair, sometimes it's their weight, sometimes it's the fact that they were glasses......and in a predominantly white society, the most obvious differentiator is skin colour. In a group of people, the tallest one might be called a 'lanky' [email protected] largest one, a 'fat tw@, the one who wears glasses, a 'speccy tw@' and guess what the black one might be called......? Referring to someone by their colour doesn't make you a racist. Discriminating against them does. That's my take on things anyway. No referring to someone by their colour doesn't make you a racist at all. It all depends on the context. If Terry was describing Anton Ferdinand and said, he's tall and black he's not been racist but if he describes him as black c*nt then he is. We can all see that you don't agree and you're entitled to your opinion but your opinion on racism is not what is defined by law.
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You seem upset.
My point is that I have seen no evidence of racial discrimination in football whatsoever. Yes, some players call each other names - is that what passes as 'racism' these days???!
Many people suffered horrendous discrimination and were beaten, raped, tortured and enslaved just because of their skin colour. Putting a name-calling 'victim' in the same boat as those who have suffered genuine loss totally trivialises their plight.
Is danny rose on the same level as a slave who was raped, lost her children and had husband murdered? You don't seem able to differentiate and are taking it out on me. You're talking rubbish, I never compared anything of the sort and I'm hardly taking it out on you. I was just responding to what were obviously ridiculous comments because i'm gobsmacked that a seemingly intelligent person (which you give the impression that you are) has views like this. This forum generally doesn't take too well to people accusing others of talking rubbish, being ignorant and making ridiculous comments just because they differ to your own. You might want to cut down on the verbal abuse which you are so passionately against. Maybe we should start again? Can you give me any examples of racial discrimination within football? I have never seen a person of any colour discriminated against because of their skin, within the football industry. Firstly, when people are talking about their football related views then yeah fine everyone should be allowed to spout what ever they like; however, in this instance i think what I have said in relation to your comments is very very justified and I have been far more pleasant than what could be justified. Secondly, racial hatred and discrimination is still a huge problem all over the world. What about the recent incidents in Serbia? There have similar and regular incidents in many eastern block countries not to mention italy and spain.
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Do you not understand that the problem with calling someone a black fat [oops] is that you are inferring that there size and race are negative points by which to insult them?
Last edited by Ben36; 30/10/12 05:13 PM.
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The sanctimonious stance of the FA, Fergie, and the British media regarding issues of alleged racism, as well as their uneven and inequitable handling of them, is an absolute farce that only serves to heighten racial tensions. The current witch-hunt against Suarez is far more discriminating and libelous than anything Suarez intended towards Evra in the heat of the moment. Whilst I agree that the media love to jump on any band wagon that suites their needs I cant see how this has heightened racial tensions? So are you saying that there are existing racial tensions in football and society in the UK? With regards to Suarez I think he just gets picked on because he's brilliant and loves to wind people up. He's great!
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Referring to someone by the skin colour as a negative connotation is a form of racial discrimination and that is racist and not tolerated (on the whole) in this country. That's all I have to say on the matter really and I'm quite happy with the level of media coverage it's currently receiving. I think this sums up my thoughts perfectly and i'd rather leave it at that now that we've all learned a little more about each others views towards certain things.
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You seem upset.
My point is that I have seen no evidence of racial discrimination in football whatsoever. Yes, some players call each other names - is that what passes as 'racism' these days???!
Many people suffered horrendous discrimination and were beaten, raped, tortured and enslaved just because of their skin colour. Putting a name-calling 'victim' in the same boat as those who have suffered genuine loss totally trivialises their plight.
Is danny rose on the same level as a slave who was raped, lost her children and had husband murdered? You don't seem able to differentiate and are taking it out on me. You're talking rubbish, I never compared anything of the sort and I'm hardly taking it out on you. I was just responding to what were obviously ridiculous comments because i'm gobsmacked that a seemingly intelligent person (which you give the impression that you are) has views like this. This forum generally doesn't take too well to people accusing others of talking rubbish, being ignorant and making ridiculous comments just because they differ to your own. You might want to cut down on the verbal abuse which you are so passionately against. Maybe we should start again? Can you give me any examples of racial discrimination within football? I have never seen a person of any colour discriminated against because of their skin, within the football industry. Firstly, when people are talking about their football related views then yeah fine everyone should be allowed to spout what ever they like; however, in this instance i think what I have said in relation to your comments is very very justified and I have been far more pleasant than what could be justified. Secondly, racial hatred and discrimination is still a huge problem all over the world. What about the recent incidents in Serbia? There have similar and regular incidents in many eastern block countries not to mention italy and spain. Tell me more...
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for me .... I am with Carheex, as an Asian person I understand what racism is and I think any minority would. personally i know people and have heard people say some very racist things, but those same people have friends who of that same race.
In the heat of the moment things are said, but that should not define a person. things are said at a very small age as children do in nursey and play school, does not make them racist or what ever.
I just find so much of this so childish.
If suarez was a racist you can be damn sure johnson and sterling etc would be hugging and kissing him when scoring etc. this has all come about because of the power fergie has with the FA and if it were'nt the president set at the Suarez Vs Evra 'case' this would never have blown out of all proportions.
The name calling and will always be there and will never go from the stands, if players cant stand it maybe they should think twice before becoming footballers. these people need to be a little more 'thick skinned' then a bit of name calling.
COME ON YOU REDS !!!
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for me .... I am with Carheex, as an Asian person I understand what racism is and I think any minority would. personally i know people and have heard people say some very racist things, but those same people have friends who of that same race.
In the heat of the moment things are said, but that should not define a person. things are said at a very small age as children do in nursey and play school, does not make them racist or what ever.
I just find so much of this so childish.
If suarez was a racist you can be damn sure johnson and sterling etc would be hugging and kissing him when scoring etc. this has all come about because of the power fergie has with the FA and if it were'nt the president set at the Suarez Vs Evra 'case' this would never have blown out of all proportions.
The name calling and will always be there and will never go from the stands, if players cant stand it maybe they should think twice before becoming footballers. these people need to be a little more 'thick skinned' then a bit of name calling. Ooooh, you can't mention someone's skin!!!
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Since i got back from my ban for abuse (on you, ironic enough) iv found myself actually wanting to hear more about what u say. Iv followed this thread all day and some of the stuff you are saying is actually quar intelligent and makes alot of sense.. Therefore i'd like to apologise to u Carheex for calling you a [oops] last week it was immature. Great posts mate
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This forum generally doesn't take too well to people accusing others of talking rubbish, being ignorant and making ridiculous comments just because they differ to your own. You might want to cut down on the verbal abuse which you are so passionately against.
Maybe we should start again?
Can you give me any examples of racial discrimination within football? I have never seen a person of any colour discriminated against because of their skin, within the football industry. [/quote]
Firstly, when people are talking about their football related views then yeah fine everyone should be allowed to spout what ever they like; however, in this instance i think what I have said in relation to your comments is very very justified and I have been far more pleasant than what could be justified.
Secondly, racial hatred and discrimination is still a huge problem all over the world. What about the recent incidents in Serbia? There have similar and regular incidents in many eastern block countries not to mention italy and spain. [/quote]
Tell me more... [/quote]
You want me to tell you more about the monkey chants thats some of the U21 players were subject too in Serbia?
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