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Originally Posted By: wakka
Ball retention is Allens game and he is bloody good at it, Gerrard gave the ball away about 35 times yesterday.


Gerrard may well give the ball away more than Allen but more than half of his passes are forwards into the attacking third where we will always be outnumbered. To create a chance for a team mate you have to take a risk with the pass. What risks is Allen taking by kicking it 3 feet to the guy beside him? He's like Henderson in a way - if you attempt nothing, you achieve nothing.

Gerrard created 3 chances with his passes yesterday....Allen created one.

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I think you need to take into consideration that the movement and players finding space ahead of him in these early stages is not great,so does restrict his option to go forward at times.


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Originally Posted By: CarheeX
Originally Posted By: wakka
Ball retention is Allens game and he is bloody good at it, Gerrard gave the ball away about 35 times yesterday.


Gerrard may well give the ball away more than Allen but more than half of his passes are forwards into the attacking third where we will always be outnumbered. To create a chance for a team mate you have to take a risk with the pass. What risks is Allen taking by kicking it 3 feet to the guy beside him? He's like Henderson in a way - if you attempt nothing, you achieve nothing.

Gerrard created 3 chances with his passes yesterday....Allen created one.


As I understand it, ball retention is Allens job and creating is more down to Gerrard so what isn't working?

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Originally Posted By: wilkij1975
Originally Posted By: CarheeX
Originally Posted By: wakka
Ball retention is Allens game and he is bloody good at it, Gerrard gave the ball away about 35 times yesterday.


Gerrard may well give the ball away more than Allen but more than half of his passes are forwards into the attacking third where we will always be outnumbered. To create a chance for a team mate you have to take a risk with the pass. What risks is Allen taking by kicking it 3 feet to the guy beside him? He's like Henderson in a way - if you attempt nothing, you achieve nothing.

Gerrard created 3 chances with his passes yesterday....Allen created one.


As I understand it, ball retention is Allens job and creating is more down to Gerrard so what isn't working?


I don't follow. Which part of passing the ball to his nearest teammate every 30 seconds is 'ball retention'? Attempting to 'retain' the ball won't win us any games - we need to give it to them via the back of their net, and over-passing without forward penetration is totally pointless.

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So he should shoot from his position of DM every time he gets possession?


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He doesn't play as a DM (Sahin was responsible for breaking up play, as demonstrated by his 5 interceptions/2 tackles compared to Allen's 1 interception/0 tackles). If Allen was the DM, with his allergy to tackling he's doing an even worse job than I thought.

I'm just saying that a £15m player should be doing a lot more than handing the ball sideways to his nearest team mate as it gets us nowhere. The only reason people criticised spearing and adam more than allen is because they tried to be a bit adventurous and things didn't always go to plan. They could very easily have sat back and done allen's job with their eyes closed, picked up a 90% pass completion rate and come up smelling of roses. But that kind of attitude doesn't win you games - hence our league position.

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