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Until we know the full extent of the facts, it would be just as wrong for us to throw accusations around as it was for them back when it was all unfolding.

Quite right and there is no need to throw accusations around because all the facts are now there. After 23 years lets not make up any more grey areas. Read the report.

Cameron's speech in full

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footbal...nt-in-full.html

I was watching this in work. I was in awe by everything that was said, but what struck me the most was the original coroners report. There was a possibilty 59 of the victims could have been saved had they received proper treatment.

My heart goes out to everyone today, listening to the evidence up to now is really difficult its sickening to hear things like a possible 41 fans may have been saved if medical help was given quickly, i'm finding it much harder to listen to it all than i thought and we haven't gone through much of it yet.

Don't click on this unless you want to freeze your computer up. I would do it in a few days. The world must be trying to download it.

Read somewhere that there was an incident at the ground a year earlier where ground inefficiancies were raised but nothing done about it.

also read that Grobbelaar said that he had asked a police or security woman to open the gates for the fans to get onto the grounds after fans were calling for his help because they were getting squashed. her reply? "i can only do that when my boss tells me"

WTF!!!!!

I hadthat problem there will be other people uploading it maybe to other sites so would be quicker that way, t o search the name of the document on google, at moment. I got there in the end though after 5 minutes

Few things I noticed - mackenzie has apologised for the headline, but not for the contents of the article which for me were worse than the headline although others may care to disagree. So there was the journalist who pretends there was nothing wrong (at the time) in the article, it was the fault of the headline, and then mackenzie the editor saying it was the headline but no mention or apology for the content. Mackenzies just pretending he took the quotes /information in good faith, hmmm , time will tell...

Think this is going to escalate, thatcher in the clear she is half mad on her way out will escape any insinutations that she knew what was going on even though ingrams press secretary told her ... Wonder how many people escaped justice given the lapse of time..?

that was 10feet away from me. The ball hit the fence and Bruce came to collect it, we were shouting to Bruce to helps us. He stared in horror and grapped the last in a line of policem officers who were walking past, it was a WPC. she then was the first to question what was going on and all hell broke loose as officers then twigged.