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I forgot to mention TheMightyLFC - keeping Carroll for a plan B would be a disaster. Not so much for having him the squad - I'm all for it, but the press would eat us alive given his price tag - we don't need the constant negative attention.

Just a shame he didn't come for 10 or 12mil, would've changed absolutely everything.

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Originally Posted By: Ged
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Probelem is though, the way we're going about things we're probably encouraging silly bids and offers nowhere near £20million plus. We're giving people the impression that they can come and get a bargain.

My view is that the manager needs to be clever even if he doesn't fit into his ideal plans. Build him up, give him confidence and a chance, let him get some fantastic goals or perfromances under his belt like his cup semi final/final and Euro 2102 games. If we could rebuild his values to £20/£25 milion then fine.

The other thing is, we've seen in the past that we need something different or direct against teams like stoke. I really thing BR should be trying to keep AC and prove himself a coach who can change the team's style to suit needs. On cold winter nights with boggy or frozen pitches the slow passing game might not work.


You make some pretty decent points and I'm a little concerned about the money he might go for too. I think our best option would be to engineer a player swap + cash type deal - as there are plenty of teams out there who would love to sign him, but very very few who would stump up the 20 mil, give or take.

If we could, for instance, make a deal with Fulham for Dempsey involving Carroll going the other way - with Fulham sweetening the deal with something like 12 mil, then I'd be reasonably happy. Fulham (or another team of the like - who has a player we're interested in) could surely find 12 mil, where 20+ would be out of the question.

I'm hearing you about needing a plan B when.... well, when plan A isn't working laugh Against the likes of Stoke ect.. but I had to laugh about the wintery "boggy pitches where the passing game might not work" When was the last time you saw a boggy pitch in the premier???
The days of the old first division are long gone - they're damn near bowling greens year round these days!!!! laugh


no to plan B..i hated when we changed our tactics,style and line ups just to play stoke..keep it on the ground let them chase after it..and maybe ask the ref to look to c how long they take over throws in and where they take them from..plus shawcross might actually be penalized for dragging players to the ground sometime.

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Sure, talking to the ref will totally fix that.

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Sure, talking to the ref will totally fix that.


laugh laugh laugh

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point taken about boggy pitches probably being a thing of the past.

But I don't think it's as simple as Carrol being a plan B. In some games he'll be needed for Plan A. We can keep the opposition guessing week to week.

When England were leading up to playing Sweden, it was a no brainer that Sweden had a poor record defending crosses. Sure enough, AC pops up to score a fantastic header. If you see even the slow motion or the still taken when he makes contact with the ball it's just a great sight. If Gerrard can cross like that regularly and AC can frighten defences why not keep that in your armoury?

We've seen Arsenal frustrate everyone for years now with there fancy football which fails to deliver at the final hurdle. How many times have we read that if only Arsenal could mixt things up a bit sometimes when needed?

I don't think I'd be happy with Dempsey +9million or so. It will still show that AC was a failure; we the might LFC couldn't nurture a young England talent; and there's also no guarantee of Dempsey being a hit. He'll need to be given time and may turn out to be a flop too. I'd rather we were more patient with AC.


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I think Carroll could learn a lot from Dempsey. I'd like to see them both on the same team.

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I think Carroll could learn a lot from Dempsey. I'd like to see them both on the same team.


That sounds good. Suarez, Carroll, Borini and Dempsey as options. Bellamy as well.


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Originally Posted By: TheMightyLFC
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I think Carroll could learn a lot from Dempsey. I'd like to see them both on the same team.


That sounds good. Suarez, Carroll, Borini and Dempsey as options. Bellamy as well.

and Messi

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are you really comparing them to messi?

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Originally Posted By: redordead13
I think Carroll could learn a lot from Dempsey. I'd like to see them both on the same team.


Dempsey has the better haircut. You may well be right.


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