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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Roy did a good job at short notice with a poor squad. No manager in the world can work wonders if the players are no good.


Completely disagree. He did a poor job with a poor squad - a poor squad which included Fernando Torres, by the way.

EDIT: If you're talking about England, then apologies. THAT, I agree with.

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Roy did a good job at short notice with a poor squad. No manager in the world can work wonders if the players are no good.


How is being outplayed by Italy, France, and the Ukraine "a good job" for the manager of England? No, mate - the talent England has at it's disposal deserved a semi-final showdown with Germany at least. Lose to a good side at that late stage is "a good job" and heads held high all round; reach the final and Roy can be manager forever.

But stutter around like a team of strangers with 32% possession against a defensive team? Midfield diamond = play it wide against them, but did they even try? No, all they did was cut inside, straight into traffic. Sorry, but that's just sh!te. That quarter final performance was abysmal, and summed up the technical know-how of this squad and this manager. Real deer-in-the-headlights stuff.

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Roy did a good job at short notice with a poor squad. No manager in the world can work wonders if the players are no good.
difficult to agree with anyone in this forum anymore but i will agree with this.

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Hodgson strikes me as very similar to trappatoni on his stubbornness to adapt and continuing use of 442. He will qualify for brazil because England will beat all the minnows but using that formation against good teams will get them no further than a quarter final at a world cup

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At the start of every tournament I expect us to get knocked out at the quarter final stages, simply because we just don't have the players to compete with the top teams in the world. Roy did what was expected albeit with the kind of tedious football we have come to expect from him. That said, our squad was sh!t!! When you are relying on a strikeforce of danny welbeck and andy carroll you know you've got big problems!

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Have to disagree with the anti hodgson (for england ) lfc fans here. Hodgson did a good job, with what he was given and how long he was given to do the job. This has no bearing on what he did at lfc,where as everyone with eyes can see he was a shambolic disaster.
Everyone knew it was gonna be a nil nil bore draw at best for us. IF people want scapegoats for the england exit then blame young and rooney and possibly milner (elthough you could b lame RH for using milner more than walcott). England players did their best and at least combatted to stay in the tournament.

I think RH is still not the man for the england job and he will turn on the england fans , when england start drawing at home 0-0 to the likes of aberbajazhan, after which he will have to emmigrate to sweden having turned on england fans for not being loyal, and not really wanting him

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Originally Posted By: Armitage
Have to disagree with the anti hodgson (for england ) lfc fans here. Hodgson did a good job, with what he was given and how long he was given to do the job. This has no bearing on what he did at lfc,where as everyone with eyes can see he was a shambolic disaster.
Everyone knew it was gonna be a nil nil bore draw at best for us. IF people want scapegoats for the england exit then blame young and rooney and possibly milner (elthough you could b lame RH for using milner more than walcott). England players did their best and at least combatted to stay in the tournament.

I think RH is still not the man for the england job and he will turn on the england fans , when england start drawing at home 0-0 to the likes of aberbajazhan, after which he will have to emmigrate to sweden having turned on england fans for not being loyal, and not really wanting him

What Irish fans on here said differently, Armi? I agreed that he did a good enough job on such short notice as he had, but that he was absolutely awful with Liverpool. Haven't noticed any Irish fans saying any differently? confused


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Well 'good job' is subjective, but when it comes to english national team what a lot of people don't realise is taht we KNOW we are rubbish compared to Germany/Spain and the teams that regularly win cup finals.

If you go by what you read in tabloid media you would be forgiven for thinking that in all tournaments after one win, every england fan thinks that england will 'stuff the germans' and win the final.

Getting out of the group was a good result only 8 teams did it out of how many teams at start of tournament? 53 /54?

so England is top group out of 7 in europe. or in the top 15percent of groups that entered the tournament.

The rankings were based on Capello. And rankings are not predictions. If football were as boring as you suggest I wouldnt watch it.

Beeating teams that are better than England? England do it all the time. San marino play better football than England. If you rely on opta stats for football, and national football at that , you will always see your team under achieving. Holland do it all the time. France do it.

The other thing is England are unbeatean in normal play W2 drawn 2 and w ent out on penalties. Slagging the England team when you know hodgson is at the helm is a bit unfair, the players did their best, and lfc fans knew what to expect from RH before the tournament.

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Hodgson's tactics were quite terrible if you ask me.

England looked mediocre on the pitch. Much like KK's liverpool against lesser teams. Yes the players are happy with more freedom but so what? It didn't translate to better performance on the pitch.

If they had wanted effective football focused on results, might as well hire rafa benitez. He'll bring you results with ugly football.

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my posting in this thread has absolutely nothing to do with "appreciation"


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