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Le Tissier and Gascoine were both very good players who would of been regarded much higher if they had won the games major honours thats my point, players get defined when they win the major trophies, there is no way on earth Maradonna or Zidane would of been seen to be what they were if they had'nt won Leagues, World Cups and Champions Leagues no way.

You say I dont mention team sports, well last time I looked Steve Redgrave won some of his gold as part of a team of four hardly individual. Like I said winning defines a player like nothingh else, the Spain team won the world Cup, the Barca team won Champions Leagues, this defined players like Xavi and Inniesta, Madrid won things before them defining Zidane, Raul and Figo, Brazil won world Cups and defined your Ronaldo, Roberto Carlos and Cafu and the great Milan side of Gullit, Van Basten and Reykyaard, Germany with Matthaeus and Klinsman there is no way those players would of earned the world class tag by finishing runners up or nearly men, no way, this is why Gerrard will remain a very good player but certainly not world class, you cant seriously compare him to those players and what they achieved and contributed to those historic wins, not in a million years.

Oh Please, one solitary Champions League cant compare to what the greats did even our own greats p1ssed all over that with both Souness and Dalglish both winning 3 of those and about 5 or 6 league titles to go with them, you really being serious trying to compare Europa Leagues, F.A.Cups and League Cups to the major ones

Listen disagree with my points fine, ok but just be careful with what you say alrite.
I did say in my postings it's not just winning them which defines you, it's making a difference or making the vital contribution to your team actualy winning the trophy, this is what sets apart players, Winstone Bogarde may of won two titles but was he special in the same way as say Drogba or Lampard or even John Terry. If you remember Djimi Traore's best medal in his collection is only the same as Gerrard's best medal and Josemi probably has the same medal as Carragher or Alonso even tho he never contributed as much that famous night in Istanbul. Its not just winning or appearing in a winning team you have to make a telling contribution, this is what all the great players do

Your not listening to what I am tryin to tell you, Gerrard did make an important contribution to winning the Champions League yes, never said he never, what I am trying to tell you is the true world class greats contributed to winning three, four or five major honours not just one solitary one like Gerrard, its very good winning one, but to continualy do it thats the challenge that only the very best can achieve.

I think your forgeting Maradonna carried Napoli to 2 league titles also, think the first was the first time the Club had won it in about 50 years too, that was as special as winning that World Cup in Mexico or just as hard anyway.

Wrong again there Ian, I never said you don't mention team sports, so if you can't read a simple post and understand what it is telling you then I doubt if you can be trusted to make comparisons between the greats of football. your arguments are as futile as your prejudice, and your repetition is boring, Stephen Gerrard will go down in football history as a world class player whether you like it or not.

simple question then, you tell me what Steven Gerrard has done in world football terms to earn the status world class alongside your Souness, Dalglish, Van Basten, Gullit, Zidanes and Henri's of this world. I honestly think your only putting Gerrard in there because he plays for Liverpool and has been probably our only guiding light or hope since we last won the title, Everton fans said the same about Duncan Ferguson being world class for the same reasons.

I haven't read through all the posts above but to say that Gerrard isn't world class is ridiculous and when in his prime he would have got into and improved any team in the world. The only reason this player has not won more is that for much of the time he has had to carry a team that could never match his standards and that goes for both International and club football.
He has to be classed as an all time great and in terms of LFC's history he surely can only be matched by Dalglish.

Ha ha, I'm starting to really like this guy.

I now agree SG isn't world class as he's never won the title. However, Carrick, Park, O'Shea and Fletcher are due to title successes.

Just seen Gerrard's Free-kick for the goal. He's now confirmed as World Class.