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Lets not forget also he was given the role as a long term rebuild or at least he was lead to believe so.
He got a matter of months, hardly time at all. Its clear that Roman doesn't want to suffer the pitfalls of a rebuild and how that means a team can struggle when getting a team blending and working together etc and that he realised he wants instant success at the same time.

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If AVB gets the job I just hope the fans give him enough time to implement his system and not call for his head if things don't go well in just his 1st season.


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I think avb will be sucessful if the fans and the board back him

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Originally Posted By: Davo80
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Those tactics are all well and good in theory but say nothing about his ability to cope when things aren't going smoothly. He's only 34 and his only experience of trying turn around a big club when thinsg started to go wrong culminated in receiving his P45. There's a common claim that he only failed because of terry, lampard etc. I'm not sure how anyone knows this but we have our own troublemakers whose loyalties lie elsewhere in gerrard and carragher.

AVB gives me many reservations:

1) at 34 I think he is too young to be managing a club the size of Liverpool regardless of our recent drop down the table
2) he has succeeded in one season only throughout his career and that was in his home country
3) whilst his season at porto was good, it wasn't spectacular and doesn't tell us anything about how he would cope with the pressures he would get at LFC.
4) Porto have won 14 of the last 20 seasons so he is hardly acheived what no man had achieved before.
5) You have to go back 20 years to find a manager that DIDN'T win the portuguese league with porto!
6) In a nutshell, as became evident at Chelsea, there's a big question mark over him when the going gets tough. It never happened at Porto but it happened at Chelsea and would be a big part of his everyday life at Liverpool.

For me it's a no - it's too early in his career for him.


I feel however that he suffered the same as Dalglish did. He was sacked too soon.
Chelsea were still in touching distance of the top 4, still in the FA Cup and was still in the Champ League.
It was not god awful and that squad eventually went on to win things with not that much changes just some players hitting form.
I think Mateo had it easier also as he is buddies with most of the old guard and will have hit little resistance.


Fair comment. It's funny how AVB got sacked for taking chelsea down to 5th in the league yet RDM is a hero even though they finished 6th! That wasn't because of the CL either - the fans wanted him full time even before the CL semi-final.
He was definitely hard done by but I've still got reservations because of his age and experience.

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If AVB gets the job I just hope the fans give him enough time to implement his system and not call for his head if things don't go well in just his 1st season.


That has only ever happened once at LFC and the victim was hodgson, so you should worry too much about that. I don't think we'd repeat the same mistake again.

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He has won leagues and European trophies

not bad for someone so young me thinks and defo part of a long term plan

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Hodgson or Dalglish could probably win the portuguese league if they were at Porto! It's no bigger a deal than rangers or celtic winning the SPL. Granted the uefa cup win was good but that does that qualify him to manage LFC at such a young age?

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yes it does because it not just what he has done but who he has worked with

bobby Robson and Jose special one are bad to learn off

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yes it does because it not just what he has done but who he has worked with

bobby Robson and Jose special one are bad to learn off


I wouldn't read too much into that either. I'd go by successes over a period of time if it were up to me.
Don't get me wrong, I think AVB could be our fall back plan and is certainly preferable to martinez but there are much stronger candidates out there who'd be willing to come, that have had more success, more experience in more areas over a longer period of time.

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Originally Posted By: Davo80
Lets not forget also he was given the role as a long term rebuild or at least he was lead to believe so.
He got a matter of months, hardly time at all. Its clear that Roman doesn't want to suffer the pitfalls of a rebuild and how that means a team can struggle when getting a team blending and working together etc and that he realised he wants instant success at the same time.


Yes, but that is my point Dave. Is he going to be given the time for a rebuild here? You have Perry coming out today (believed to be one of those advising FSG) stating 4th should be a minimum.

So it appears they want a young guy (without the experience probably needed) and use this gobbledygook metrics stuff (which to me is another word for punts on risky cheap young'uns) but also get 4th or you're out the door at the same time!!

And they wonder why a large section of fans (and now John Barnes today) are getting frustrated at the signals being given and calling for a stated long term plan!

No one is asking for the intricate details of the club, but a bit of decent PR for concerned fans and ex players isn't too much to ask.

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