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Hindsight is a wonderful thing. It would have been very brave of the owners to have sacked him in Feb. Would that be just before or just after the Carling cup final?
Having said that, I am in broad agreement with you, as I thought the defining moment in the season came when Kenny stood unequivocally behind Suarez over the Evra incident. I was taken aback at his uncompromising support, before the case had even been heard. I still feel that had an apology been forthcoming early on for any offence caused, however unintentionally, the case would never have got as far as the FA, there would have been no ban, and no distraction for the team.
As it was, that affair knocked any hopes of a decent league finish, as it dragged on for so long and was fodder for the media to dwell on.
Hope that makes some sense! I spoke to someone last week who thought I was mental for saying he should be sacked before the carling cup. He couldn't offer a a good reason why though. We were due to meet cardiff in the final - would it really have railroaded us if kenny wasn't there to oversee the game? surely any manage in charge of our squad would have been capable of putting out a team to beat a team in the division below us. As it was, even with kenny, we only just about scraped a win. I think the nail in kenny's coffin was when standard chartered got involved - that must have made FSG look really stupid.
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing. It would have been very brave of the owners to have sacked him in Feb. Would that be just before or just after the Carling cup final?
Having said that, I am in broad agreement with you, as I thought the defining moment in the season came when Kenny stood unequivocally behind Suarez over the Evra incident. I was taken aback at his uncompromising support, before the case had even been heard. I still feel that had an apology been forthcoming early on for any offence caused, however unintentionally, the case would never have got as far as the FA, there would have been no ban, and no distraction for the team.
As it was, that affair knocked any hopes of a decent league finish, as it dragged on for so long and was fodder for the media to dwell on.
Hope that makes some sense! I spoke to someone last week who thought I was mental for saying he should be sacked before the carling cup. He couldn't offer a a good reason why though. We were due to meet cardiff in the final - would it really have railroaded us if kenny wasn't there to oversee the game? surely any manage in charge of our squad would have been capable of putting out a team to beat a team in the division below us. As it was, even with kenny, we only just about scraped a win. I think the nail in kenny's coffin was when standard chartered got involved - that must have made FSG look really stupid. I tend to agree with you about the sacking before the final. Standard Chartered only got involved because the whole affair had been totally mismanaged from the start. I don't think any of the participants came out of that with any credit. A great shame, as it cast a long shadow over the league season, and it's effects are being felt even now.
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has any manager in the history of football been sacked before a final?
Luis Garcia, He drinks sangria
He came from Barca, to bring us Joy
He's five foot seven, he's football heaven
please don't take my Luis away.
"...AND 32 MILLION POUNDS WORTH OF GOALKEEPER CAN'T DO A THING ABOUT IT"
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carheex, are there any managerial candidates (who you would favour) who probably would have taken over the club in february or march rather than now?
in terms of the actual front runners, jurgen klopp was busy winning a double in germany, de boer winning in holland, martinez was making a fool of everyone by pretending that wigan were gonna be relegated, avb was getting sacked, pep and mourinho were competing for the champos and la liga titles.
not being sarcastic with you here. its a genuine question. just curious if there's someone you had in mind who 3-4 months would have made the difference with?
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How an earth can you all get so worked up about something that never happened and now never will happen? Kenny's gone should he have gone 6 months ago I don't know and I don't care what I do care about is what happens now and in the next year.
IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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Kind of agree here, difficult to get the right man for the job at end of season must be near impossible mid season
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There were 2 opportunities to sack Dalglish, and prior to a cup final was not one of them.
They were:
1. After the loss to Arsenal. We had scraped through a cup final against lower league opposition, and had one point from our previous 3 league games (Man United, Spurs, Arsenal) and of the various candidates were now favourites to finish outside the top 4. At this point 4th is gone, and if the owners don't care about cups (though they said they did at the time) this is a good opportunity to jettison a failing manager closing in on that 1954 bad form record. However they probably suspected they would have been crucified by the fans for sacking the manager a week after he ended a 6 year trophy drought.
2. After the loss against Newcastle. The team was in disarray and seemed totally out of control. Carroll screamed obscenity at the manager, Reina got sent off for a bad tempered outburst, and we played like complete rubbish after Carroll's dive. The 1954 bad form record was gone as well, and the League Cup was a distant memory. This was the window of opportunity - get rid of him now before he earned more time in the FA Cup. But who would manage the team? AVB hadn't been sacked yet, and I suspect Borrell would have to have stepped up as I'm not sure anyone else has managerial badges or whatever else one needs to manage a club in the EPL. And by now, a million points adrift of 4th, would sacking the manager actually achieve anything other than giving yet another caretaker a chance at a long term contract he probably didn't deserve?
I think you'll find, CarheeX, that although Dalglish probably should have been sacked a lot earlier it would probably have been a worse idea than keeping him.
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Thundyr - you are responding to someone who lives to agitate and wind-up - save your breath. I know, but if I let him carry on people will think he's right and his cancer will spread. Like those people who detest Benitez because he used zonal marking...
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Thundyr - you are responding to someone who lives to agitate and wind-up - save your breath. I know, but if I let him carry on people will think he's right and his cancer will spread. Like those people who detest Benitez because he used zonal marking... Who do you think you are?!? You've got no right to label my opinions as "cancer"....no right whatsoever! Shame on you.
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Sorry lads , my head tells me that our pursuit for a top manager is not going to happen before the season starts, at best the club will appoint Steve Clark and move Carra as assistance until the right man is available, remember this appointment will define our future, we cannot be another Roman's culling house.
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