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Can't you be sentimental about Kenny heggy?
Can't you support him like you support Gerrard?
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you make a great point thundyr
but gerrard has done too much for on the field for me to really have a go at him
I am being sentimental I know.
For all we know he could come back on fire next season
but until he stops playing for England than we won't get pur stevie back. Absolutely agree re Gerrard and England - he must must must quit after Euro's. They never look after his fitness, and he somehow manages to always come away from England's excursions with his reputation tarnished in some way despite the drama queens around him. John Terry destroyed England's chance of getting anything from the last World Cup, but somehow Gerrard is the one criticised for not being a good enough captain. Like, wtf? Gerrard lost something in 09/10. Maybe it was that he lost faith in the manager and has simply never managed to get it back despite 2 managerial changes. Whatever it is he's a shadow of his former self, and that is hurting us because it's really hard to pick a Liverpool side without him in it when he is fit. But maybe that's what needs to be done to jerk him out of his comfort zone and get him playing the way we know he can once more.
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Family life is what changed him. Once the man starts banging his missus every night and has 5 kids running around the house late at night, do not expect super stevie.
Once he started having kids, it went downhill on the pitch.
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England have never respected Gerrard
so I hope he retires soon
I will listen, only if your answer contains wisdom
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Dunno about that, he has always played.
Should have been captain years ago. But we don't make those decisions, but he has been played, so I don't class that as dis-respect. (Look at Carra for instance)
He's been played in a lot of useless friendlys and picked up niggling "injuries" though.
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Gerrard is the reason we won the Fa cup, the reason we came back in Istanbul, the reason we came back in so many games.
I think you will find that no one really agrees with you but I respect your opinion but humbly do not agree. And I think you'll find that the Gerrard you mention has done none of what you mention since Napoli under Hodgson. He's getting on, his fitness needs to be managed, but so does his attitude. I don't think he hides in games, but over the past three seasons the number of times Gerrard has displayed anything like his former prowess have been few and far between and not just because of injury. He has to realise that he can't go around doing everyone's job for them - he must let the players around him play. That we've done no worse in games he's missed suggests that his contribution over the course of a season is far short of what it should be for a player on his wages and with his reputation. A lot of people lash out at anyone who dares suggest Carra is no longer fit to play for LFC, but for much of the season he was just that and deserved to lose his place in the side. Lately his performances have improved, perhaps as a result of just such a wake-up call. Gerrard could do worse than heed such a lesson, and I really think that him losing the captaincy next season could be the kind of impetus he needs to really start playing for the shirt again. This I agree with. But tbf to heggy the message was very different from Craney. Carra's time is coming to the end and we were 'fortunate' (I use the term loosely of course) that he picked up an injury which really took away the pressure from the decision to drop him for agger and Skrtel, then their incredible form kept their places (rightfully so). However Craney's comments re: Gerrard chooses when he plays are unsubstantiated, ludicrous in my opinion, and disrespectful to a man who loves the club more than any of us I would say. He's given us the best years of his life when he could have won more elsewhere, he has won us big trophies by putting in world class performances, this doesn't mean I think he should be exempt from criticism nor that the team should revolve around him anymore now he's waning. But to suggest he 'chooses when he plays' which clearly means he would be hurting the club is incredibly disrespectful. Not sure if that's what heggy was wound up about but I certainly thought it was ludicrous.
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Gerrard is the reason we won the Fa cup, the reason we came back in Istanbul, the reason we came back in so many games.
I think you will find that no one really agrees with you but I respect your opinion but humbly do not agree. And I think you'll find that the Gerrard you mention has done none of what you mention since Napoli under Hodgson. He's getting on, his fitness needs to be managed, but so does his attitude. I don't think he hides in games, but over the past three seasons the number of times Gerrard has displayed anything like his former prowess have been few and far between and not just because of injury. He has to realise that he can't go around doing everyone's job for them - he must let the players around him play. That we've done no worse in games he's missed suggests that his contribution over the course of a season is far short of what it should be for a player on his wages and with his reputation. A lot of people lash out at anyone who dares suggest Carra is no longer fit to play for LFC, but for much of the season he was just that and deserved to lose his place in the side. Lately his performances have improved, perhaps as a result of just such a wake-up call. Gerrard could do worse than heed such a lesson, and I really think that him losing the captaincy next season could be the kind of impetus he needs to really start playing for the shirt again. This I agree with. But tbf to heggy the message was very different from Craney. Carra's time is coming to the end and we were 'fortunate' (I use the term loosely of course) that he picked up an injury which really took away the pressure from the decision to drop him for agger and Skrtel, then their incredible form kept their places (rightfully so). However Craney's comments re: Gerrard chooses when he plays are unsubstantiated, ludicrous in my opinion, and disrespectful to a man who loves the club more than any of us I would say. He's given us the best years of his life when he could have won more elsewhere, he has won us big trophies by putting in world class performances, this doesn't mean I think he should be exempt from criticism nor that the team should revolve around him anymore now he's waning. But to suggest he 'chooses when he plays' which clearly means he would be hurting the club is incredibly disrespectful. Not sure if that's what heggy was wound up about but I certainly thought it was ludicrous. hmm, I wasn't having a go at Heggy, as you will have seen from the conversation that followed. My point is merely that Gerrard is no longer the player we remember, in much the same way that Carragher is. As I said "I don't think he hides..." which is in contrast to Craney's comments.
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Family life is what changed him. Once the man starts banging his missus every night and has 5 kids running around the house late at night, do not expect super stevie.
Once he started having kids, it went downhill on the pitch. Could be true but what do you expect him to do? Be single all his life and never have a kid? He is a human being after all. I am sure he is organised and can concentrate on his career and his kids at the same time so that is a weak excuse in my opinion.
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Gerrard is the reason we won the Fa cup, the reason we came back in Istanbul, the reason we came back in so many games.
I think you will find that no one really agrees with you but I respect your opinion but humbly do not agree. And I think you'll find that the Gerrard you mention has done none of what you mention since Napoli under Hodgson. He's getting on, his fitness needs to be managed, but so does his attitude. I don't think he hides in games, but over the past three seasons the number of times Gerrard has displayed anything like his former prowess have been few and far between and not just because of injury. He has to realise that he can't go around doing everyone's job for them - he must let the players around him play. That we've done no worse in games he's missed suggests that his contribution over the course of a season is far short of what it should be for a player on his wages and with his reputation. A lot of people lash out at anyone who dares suggest Carra is no longer fit to play for LFC, but for much of the season he was just that and deserved to lose his place in the side. Lately his performances have improved, perhaps as a result of just such a wake-up call. Gerrard could do worse than heed such a lesson, and I really think that him losing the captaincy next season could be the kind of impetus he needs to really start playing for the shirt again. This I agree with. But tbf to heggy the message was very different from Craney. Carra's time is coming to the end and we were 'fortunate' (I use the term loosely of course) that he picked up an injury which really took away the pressure from the decision to drop him for agger and Skrtel, then their incredible form kept their places (rightfully so). However Craney's comments re: Gerrard chooses when he plays are unsubstantiated, ludicrous in my opinion, and disrespectful to a man who loves the club more than any of us I would say. He's given us the best years of his life when he could have won more elsewhere, he has won us big trophies by putting in world class performances, this doesn't mean I think he should be exempt from criticism nor that the team should revolve around him anymore now he's waning. But to suggest he 'chooses when he plays' which clearly means he would be hurting the club is incredibly disrespectful. Not sure if that's what heggy was wound up about but I certainly thought it was ludicrous. spot on. Phil Thompson once said his hardest challenge in football was accepting that he could no longer be the player he was, nothing had prepared him for the demise in his form and the inability to re-caprute form, Its nearly killed Gazza. Gerrard needs to understand his role and limitations, if he succeeds he can play for 3/4 more seasons - aka Scholes/Giggs
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Gerrard is the reason we won the Fa cup, the reason we came back in Istanbul, the reason we came back in so many games.
I think you will find that no one really agrees with you but I respect your opinion but humbly do not agree. And I think you'll find that the Gerrard you mention has done none of what you mention since Napoli under Hodgson. He's getting on, his fitness needs to be managed, but so does his attitude. I don't think he hides in games, but over the past three seasons the number of times Gerrard has displayed anything like his former prowess have been few and far between and not just because of injury. He has to realise that he can't go around doing everyone's job for them - he must let the players around him play. That we've done no worse in games he's missed suggests that his contribution over the course of a season is far short of what it should be for a player on his wages and with his reputation. A lot of people lash out at anyone who dares suggest Carra is no longer fit to play for LFC, but for much of the season he was just that and deserved to lose his place in the side. Lately his performances have improved, perhaps as a result of just such a wake-up call. Gerrard could do worse than heed such a lesson, and I really think that him losing the captaincy next season could be the kind of impetus he needs to really start playing for the shirt again. This I agree with. But tbf to heggy the message was very different from Craney. Carra's time is coming to the end and we were 'fortunate' (I use the term loosely of course) that he picked up an injury which really took away the pressure from the decision to drop him for agger and Skrtel, then their incredible form kept their places (rightfully so). However Craney's comments re: Gerrard chooses when he plays are unsubstantiated, ludicrous in my opinion, and disrespectful to a man who loves the club more than any of us I would say. He's given us the best years of his life when he could have won more elsewhere, he has won us big trophies by putting in world class performances, this doesn't mean I think he should be exempt from criticism nor that the team should revolve around him anymore now he's waning. But to suggest he 'chooses when he plays' which clearly means he would be hurting the club is incredibly disrespectful. Not sure if that's what heggy was wound up about but I certainly thought it was ludicrous. spot on. Phil Thompson once said his hardest challenge in football was accepting that he could no longer be the player he was, nothing had prepared him for the demise in his form and the inability to re-caprute form, Its nearly killed Gazza. Gerrard needs to understand his role and limitations, if he succeeds he can play for 3/4 more seasons - aka Scholes/Giggs Gerrard could do worse than play up top next season.... just a thought.....
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