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Originally Posted By: wakka
Carroll is starting to look like he might be the £20 million player that £35 million was paid for.


In which case he's overpriced by 5m quid. Not bad considering it was transfer deadline day.

(if an English player is worth 20m, then his fee will be 50% higher, ie 30m [which is close to what 'Arry valued him at])

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Gerrard doesn't need replacing, it's just the fact that he has no one around him to feed off. When Lucas is back, Gerrard will be able to push forward more, because he will know that Lucas can stop the ball 85% of the time

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Originally Posted By: wakka
Carroll is starting to look like he might be the £20 million player that £35 million was paid for.


Ha ha - brilliant ! laugh


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Gerrard has been in decline since the 2008-2009 season. It's sad to see, but there's no use deluding ourselves. It's perfectly understandable - players get older, their physical abilities diminish. The fact that he's still in our first XI says more about the paucity of talent in our squad than his ability. I'm not sure what he's done to justify his place this season other than being less crap than Shelvey or Henderson.

The things that worry me the most about Gerrard are two-fold. First, his work-rate is frankly pathetic. A lot of his effectiveness was derived from the fact that he seemed to be everywhere at once. A true box-to-box player, that could get back and defend, get stuck into a tackle, spray a 40-yard pass forward, then arrive in the box to score from a cross. I haven't seen him really put a shift in for a long time.

Second, he hasn't shown signs that he's able to adapt his game to compensate for his physical limitations. When Giggs lost his pace, he re-tooled himself as a decent central midfielder. Gerrard needs to realize that his role in the team is going to have to change - probably to a sort of "quarter-back" type position where he can just sit back, ping some passes about, and keep possession.

Gerrard has been my favorite player for years now, so it's really tough to see him like this. It's going to be tough, if not impossible, to replace him, but that's what we need to start thinking about.


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Yaya toure is the closest midfielder that I have seen to Gerrard in all my time of watching premiership football

Gerrard could do everything a modern day midfielder needed to do.

gerrard must refine his game but is still a class player


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Gerrard for me has lost the thing that made him great - the goal from 25 yards. He can barely get within 10 yards of the goal with his efforts from there nowadays. Used to be a serious threat just outside the box, but he can't hit the target. Coupled with his frequent inability to pass, he's starting to look more like a hanger on than the driving force he once was.

He's not finished yet, and I'm sure once Lucas is back he can put in another season or two of worthy performances, but the time is coming when he will lose the armband and that may be the death knell of his career. If he wants anything out of Liverpool he must must must quit England after Euro 2012, captain or not.

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Yaya toure is the closest midfielder that I have seen to Gerrard in all my time of watching premiership football

Gerrard could do everything a modern day midfielder needed to do.

gerrard must refine his game but is still a class player


You took the words out of my mouth we could do with a yaya tours style/quality player would make a huge difference

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We have no energy or power in our midfield and yesterday proved that (men against boys) we need a dynamic midfielder who can do everything gerrard used to do

any ideas


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Gerrard has been in decline since the 2008-2009 season. It's sad to see, but there's no use deluding ourselves. It's perfectly understandable - players get older, their physical abilities diminish. The fact that he's still in our first XI says more about the paucity of talent in our squad than his ability. I'm not sure what he's done to justify his place this season other than being less crap than Shelvey or Henderson.

The things that worry me the most about Gerrard are two-fold. First, his work-rate is frankly pathetic. A lot of his effectiveness was derived from the fact that he seemed to be everywhere at once. A true box-to-box player, that could get back and defend, get stuck into a tackle, spray a 40-yard pass forward, then arrive in the box to score from a cross. I haven't seen him really put a shift in for a long time.

Second, he hasn't shown signs that he's able to adapt his game to compensate for his physical limitations. When Giggs lost his pace, he re-tooled himself as a decent central midfielder. Gerrard needs to realize that his role in the team is going to have to change - probably to a sort of "quarter-back" type position where he can just sit back, ping some passes about, and keep possession.

Gerrard has been my favorite player for years now, so it's really tough to see him like this. It's going to be tough, if not impossible, to replace him, but that's what we need to start thinking about.


Although his pace has dropped, his workrate hasn't. He seemed to be everywhere at once because everyone was doing their job, and he was free to go where he wanted to impact. With Xabi and Masch or Lucas and Miereles on the pitch, he had freedom to just follow the ball and do whatever he wanted with it. The problem now is that he's baby sitting Spearing or Adam or Whoever is playing deep, covering a specific zone (that is not his responsibility) rather that going to the ball and causing the chaos he usually does.

When his CM partners do their job worth a damn, we see he still has the quality. Look at the Norwich and Everton games or the first Man United game. He didn't have to shore up the center himself, so he roams where he likes, either to add an extra dimension to the passing in the center (instead of trying to save it himself) or to slot in behind the strikers. When the happens, he scores hat tricks, creates assists, and makes everyone on the team (particularly Suarez and Carroll) look better.

Gerrard is a game changer, a match-winner, and sometimes a match savior. But he is not a skeleton to build a midfield around; he's a catalyst. He complements the jobs and talents of other players and make them more efficient, he doesn't do all of them himself. That's why he was so instrumental in getting the best out Torress, and that's why the Suarez Carroll partnership looks better with him in the team. That's why he seemed to be everywhere at once.

That said, I agree, he needs to groom a replacement soon, and he (and that replacement) need a midfield to play around him.

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should gerrard get a long term injury would we do?









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