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#222149 06/05/12 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted By: redordead13
So why aren't you managing then? It's not like every signing has a label that says "good signing" or "bad signing." Downing was class last year, an accomplished international and one of the best crossers in the league. Adam was nominated for player of the year at blackpool. Hendo was in FIFA's top 20 youth players listing (a list that included Welbeck, Gotze, De Gea, and Neymar. From your armchair you can say Kenny's awful and should have known, but it's never rocket science, it's a gamble. It's always a gamble. It just didn't work out. That being said, I think it may have been a mistake to ship out Raul and Aqua, but there was no way to know the others would flop.



Regardless of what this footballing genius say,I repeat 'BUY QUALITY PLAYERS'. I never blame KD for the things happen and on top of that,I will always support KD regardless of the result.I just give my honest suggestion on the team. sleep

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Dalglish put out the team most people would have gone for and if he had started with 2 up front and we had lost everyone would have said that going 4-4-2 in this day and age is madness. As for those 2 teams suggested, both would have needed Gerrard to play as a holding midfielder and we all know that wouldn't work and the 2nd formation is fantasy football. Its tactical ineptness at any level,


Time and again Dalglish has stuck with 4-5-1 and this year it has been largely unsuccessful outside the win against Norwich. the difference between the Norwich game and the FA Cup final was that Gerrard reverted to playing DM against a highly unadventurous Chelsea side low on gas after all their games. The result? I think Suarez touched the ball fewer than 5 times in the first half. A formation is just that - a formation. How you use those players is called tactics.

I can understand the desire to keep the same team that beat Norwich because we dominated the game, but the decision to pull Gerrard back was stupidity. How many games have we won using 4-5-1 when he played but did not do so as a number 10? Not very many, bordering on zero, in fact. So once again we pick poor tactics for a critical game, and ended up losing, disallowed goal or not.

I'm really getting tired of saying it: Andy Carroll has been our best player since the turn of the year, bar none. The Carroll I saw for half an hour in the final was the Carroll I saw playing for Newcastle, and in half an hour did more than any other player in our starting XI did for the entire match. I was also notable that the disallowed goal would have been a Suarez assist - they CAN play together.

So why bench Carroll and instead play 4-3-2-1? It's like we're just not learning where our strengths are. Gerrard is an attacking midfielder - play him there or don't play him at all. Carroll and Suarez must both start. Is that really too hard to understand?

The other thing I can't figure is why Enrique and Downing (when played on the left) have no problems getting forward, but Bellamy and Johnson cannot or do not. So when Downing plays on the right we get no end product from either flank, because Enrique can't cross, and Downing can't get forward. Another simple lesson through observation that we simply ignore.

There are more such things, but it's increasingly clear that the brains trust is understocked.



The whole idea with the starting line up yesterday was surely to get Gerrard to push up alongside Suarez very much like he did against Norwich. My point is that the formation wasn't the problem it was the fact that for the best part of an hour the personnel just didnt perform and as result Gerrard had to drop deeper and deeper to try and influence the game. Dalglish can put out at team and tell them to play to system but it's not his fault that Spearing (our only def midfielder) played like a bag of [oops] (as did others) or that our keeper let in another dodgy goal.

Its easy in hindsight to say we should have started with 2 up top but against a team like Chelsea I think they would have run us ragged in midfield. It happened in the first half in the semi where for the first half of the game Suarez and Carroll hardly touched the ball. Yes we played far better when he changed the system and Carroll was fantastic when he came on but who knows if he would have had that influence if he had started.

Regardless of the formation and tactics the players just didn't show up for the first hour of the cup final and that always going to be a problem if you want to win a game.


Spearing and Henderson didn't show up on Tuesday either, and were of debatable quality against Norwich, while Carroll was our best player by a mile and was also coming off two games where he scored the winning goal. Surely that says we shouldn't play 4-5-1 over starting Carroll louder than a foghorn in the ear?

As soon as it was obvious that we were playing with 9 men, like around the half-hour mark, Dalglish should have hooked one of those two and sent Carroll on. Chelsea have very clearly demonstrated over the last two weeks that they can defend a lead if you try attack them on the ground - Carroll was the obvious starting player, and if not that the obvious player to bring on as soon as Chelsea got in front and looked to defend/counter-attack. As usual we didn't think properly about our tactics, didn't pick the right team, and then didn't adapt to the situation. This is not hindsight - every week on this forum I bemoan us playing our losing 4-5-1, even when we beat Norwich because really Gerrard and Suarez were better than their entire 11 thanks to them choosing to not start Holt.

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these are things that our current coaching staff seem to ignore


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