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When Kenny spent, all his supporters finds ways to defend him but when Rafa spent we complained that he wasted our resources even though he sold first players first to fund his purchases. not true i don't defend kenny's transfers yet still want him to continue. i didn't defend rafa's and didn't want him to continue. the reasons are I think kenny knows what he wants and the traditions of lfc and rafa was a bit erratic and tactically defensive, never felt he could build anything and lost people , kenny is building and is gelling people Must be talking about a different Kenny, when you say gelling must mean Ken the hairdresser and building one must be Ken the brickie because we have Ken the impersonator managing us as he is impersonating a football manager.
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 being a fan really does make you see what you want to.
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When Kenny spent, all his supporters finds ways to defend him but when Rafa spent we complained that he wasted our resources even though he sold first players first to fund his purchases. not true i don't defend kenny's transfers yet still want him to continue. i didn't defend rafa's and didn't want him to continue. the reasons are I think kenny knows what he wants and the traditions of lfc and rafa was a bit erratic and tactically defensive, never felt he could build anything and lost people , kenny is building and is gelling people I think you're misremembering quite badly regarding rafa being tactically defensive. Even though that's not such a bad thing, up until about 2 months ago that was kenny's only strong point but even that has now gone. Quick reminder for you regarding how we did under Mr Benitez: 2005 - 3rd - 3rd highest goals scored 2006 - 3rd - 3rd highest goals scored 2007 - 3rd - 3rd highest goals scored 2008 - 2nd - highest goals scored 2009 - 7th - 6th highest goals scored It's worth noting that 2009 was the year that H&G really started interfering and screwing things up. It's also worth noting that 3 years ago today we were 2nd in the premiership just 3 points off the lead. I'd love to hear more about why you are so anti-rafa and pro-kenny!!!! 19th April 2012 - 8th in the prem and 12th highest goals scored...... ....over to you...
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Rafa was tactically defensive you say?? It sure has helped Jose Mourinho pick up a lot of silverware in the teams he managed by employing this sort of philosophy. I don't see why he gets negatives for this at all.
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No, I think you're referring to the person I responded I to. I always thought Rafa did what needed to be done tactically depending on the opposition. The man was a genius at times.
If only H&G had been a bit more supportive - a few years finishing 3rd followed by progression to 2nd......Had the yanks not restricted his spending and allowed him the targets he wanted (far cheaper than the downings and carroll's of this world) then it is very likely he'd have brought us a league title or 2 by now. Everything was going in the right direction, and now look where we are.
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mourinho is a horrible person, good luck to anyone who wants his type of management at their club. his teams cheat,his teams kick lumps oit of better players,he alienates the teams he manages from the footballing world, and i am sure he will leave real in disgrace,probably incite a riot on saturday night.
at least rafa had diginity , but yes he was defensive,controlling and even de-humanising. Just don't think you can build long term success like that and he couldn't. stats don't tell the whole story, he never got the club to the level that was he should have. he had the oppurtunity to really lay some foundations but he was too all over the place. And yes H&G contributed just as much as him but he was fragmenting on his own too. Kenny is all bout the players in the team and the harmony of the club.Rafa was all about tactics with a huge turnover of personal
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mourinho is a horrible person, good luck to anyone who wants his type of management at their club. his teams cheat,his teams kick lumps oit of better players,he alienates the teams he manages from the footballing world, and i am sure he will leave real in disgrace,probably incite a riot on saturday night.
at least rafa had diginity , but yes he was defensive,controlling and even de-humanising. Just don't think you can build long term success like that and he couldn't. stats don't tell the whole story, he never got the club to the level that was he should have. he had the oppurtunity to really lay some foundations but he was too all over the place. And yes H&G contributed just as much as him but he was fragmenting on his own too. Kenny is all bout the players in the team and the harmony of the club.Rafa was all about tactics with a huge turnover of personal Rafa had to have a large turnover of personnel, he wasn't given funds to buy first choice targets so had to keep trying with cheaper ones. Kenny has overseen a larger personnel turnover in one year than Rafa did however. Yes Rafa was about tactics, Kenny is probbaly more liked by his players, but what good is it if Henderson wants to go for a beer with Kenny after training? Why does that matter? Rafa had us destroying teams 5 nill at his peak season, teams like real madrid. Kenny has us scraping past Championship sides. Kenny has his pros as well as his conns. Just like Rafa has his conns as well as his pros. But there is no comparison in terms of quality of manager in my opinion. Rafa wins hands down.
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I'm pro Rafa, Pro Dalglish, Pro O'neil, pro hidink, pro AVB in a few years time, anti Moyes, anti Mourinho, anti Hodgson,
Upcoming world class players IMO for 2014 WORLD CUP:
K-P Boateng, Gotze, Sturridge, Kroos, Lucas Leiva, Hummels, Kyriakos Papadopoulos,
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the reason rafa needed a high turnover of players is that he couldn't keep players happy, especially creative attacking minded players. he stifled them, he had bellamy at the club when craig was at his peak,bellamy was useless and wasted here cause rafa's mindset was to always be in defensive covering positions. thats just the way he was,nothing to do with not getting his first choices or whatever , only 1 or 2 managers in the world get their first choice. Rafa would rather start a game with a fullback on the wing rather than a bellamy type player ,thats just who he was and its demoralising for a club in the long term..kenny is moving the team and club forward together, and i think it matters a whole hell of a lot if the players believe and want to win for each other and the manager
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the reason rafa needed a high turnover of players is that he couldn't keep players happy, especially creative attacking minded players. he stifled them, he had bellamy at the club when craig was at his peak,bellamy was useless and wasted here cause rafa's mindset was to always be in defensive covering positions. thats just the way he was,nothing to do with not getting his first choices or whatever , only 1 or 2 managers in the world get their first choice. Rafa would rather start a game with a fullback on the wing rather than a bellamy type player ,thats just who he was and its demoralising for a club in the long term..kenny is moving the team and club forward together, and i think it matters a whole hell of a lot if the players believe and want to win for each other and the manager If you are going to criticise RB for playing players out of position then why no mention of KD doing it all the time and actually losing games? I'm confident that when Rafa did it we won more often than not. The only thing that matters is league positions: Rafa had us in the top 3 most of the time which progressed to runners up, before H&G got heavy handed hence our drop to 7th. We were destined for premier league glory under RB but it was snatched away from him. Bring him back ASAP!!!
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