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There is nothing wrong with being questionable or curious.

However, all you have to look is where we have come along from, not even that long ago.

If you've forgotten the sort of regime we were under last time, then I'd suggest doing as much research as possible to bring you up to date. We were under owners who fundamentally lied and were a cancer to the club. Part of that is down to Moores as well, for thinking they were ideal. Obviously we went in to quick after Rafa called for it after Athens....and look what happened in the end.

Mass destruction, they got so power hungry and in trouble, they tried to cling on, whilst dragging us down with them and they didn't care about the club, its history, tradition, supporters in doing it either.

To have what we have now, slow building, bumpy rides and all. We are going places, slowly but surely and in the right manor. I'd take that over rushing in. Wouldn't you? "Only fools rush in"

I'd rather us take these few years building, than rushing in and heading in the same direction we've already been in.

These owners have done things and if you can't see that...I don't know what to say.

They got us back on track for one.

How many of those clubs built their new stadiums during a global recession? Money is in shorter supply and building costs are astronomical (remember wembley's budget?). Hicks & Gillet had to put off the stadium due to unexpected financial issues and those same problems are probably holding FSG back.

Moores was the man who took us down not Gillet and Hicks who were no more than a symptom of the Moores mismanagement. Lets remain ourselves what that mismanagement was standing and letting the grass grow while Man Uts and Aresnal build new stadiums and other clubs like Chelsea got huge boosts to the team. The sready as she goes block by block approach Craney was the Moores model. He sold out to try to get us in a position to emulate our rivals. Nothing has happened since. All as I get from you is the owners are making things work but nothing tangiable. We are not even standing still our league status means we could be out of the top 4 for the medium term with disasterous implications. I know your answer to that now King Kenny will get it right next year. Oh dear.......

That post is so wrong on so many levels. Even the accusation you made at the end.

I suppose that H&G did absolutely f*ck all wrong, and every single thing that happened during that regime is all down to Moores?

Arsenal built a new stadium, Man United never. I don't even think Old Trafford has had any improvement all throughout the H&G reign right through to today, either.

Most of that was done in the late 90's.

Difference is, we've already made changes to Anfield, and we're kind of at the maximum. It wasn't built to improve drastically. Whereas other stadia are, depending on the success the club have.

The "slow building" were seeing now is totally different to the "building" under Moores. What an unbelievable comparison to make.

Also, you assume that I want Dalglish next season and that I'll say that is the answer?

I'm really not bothered at all, if he stays or goes. I'd love for it to work out and Kenny to be successful! I think he deserves another season at least, after further improving the team in the summer.

If we're heading the same way in the first quarter of the new season, then I think FSG will be bold enough to make the change.

Either way, I want the best for us. Dalglish our manager or not.

At this moment in time I think the best, is to get behind the team, the manager and the owners the best we can and we'll see what happens next season.

Bare in mind Tom Werner "We will be better"....we'll just have to wait and see then won't we? How serious are they?....we'll find out.

We can't pass judgement just yet.

Craney really Gillet & Hicks did nothing. They did not have the finances to take liverpool forward and were a bunch of [oops] men. Who made the decision to appoint them if it was not Moores. Who investigated whether they were suitable owners if it was not Moores. Who threw out the DIC deal and went fot G&H (who were offering more) if it was not Moores? When FSG bought out G&H it was a distress deal the owners had to sell they were over a barrel. As far as I am aware no suitable owners came forward other than asian [oops] men so we took what we had too. That said FSG do seem reponsible businessmen but we start from a position of being in a right mess. (Despite your gold plated view of it). But my instinct tells me FSG are not wanting to risk or invest in Liverpool FC rather hooefully for us to grow organically or sell us on. That is not what Liverpool FC needs now but a kick start and substancial investment in the ground and to replace the £110m wasted last year. Your option could have worked if Kenny had got us into the champions league but that looks a long way off.

As far as i can tell FSG have been nothing short of god sent, they saved us from the administrators and H&G, and my understanding is in doing so paid off the majority of our debt that the bank were calling for.

They changed the manager when the fans were calling for it, they have brought in massive sponsorship deals, put in place the manager nearly everyone was calling for and allowed him to spend ridiculous sums of money which unfortunately havnt all worked out the results of which can be seen in the league and FSG wanted answers for this and have quickly taken steps to resolve it.

As for the stadium, i think people should give them time before criticizing them, especially when its not your own money being spent, they obviously want to do it in the right way, and personally im hoping the reason it is taking so long is because they are jumping through loop holes to make large expansions to anfield rather than build a new.

I think your looking for excuses mate, sorry.

It's like saying, we're the reason Torres hasn't performed at Chelsea, because we sold him to them.

Also, you mentioned Chelsea's substantial investment....and we went backwards at the time.

Abramovich walked into Stamford Bridge to buy the club, not Anfield. There is nothing we can do about that! Why should we begrudge it because he didn't buy us?

So what!

If you look at the facts Stan, that substantial investment and knee-jerk growth provided short-term success to a club with little history, it hasn't done them any good in the long run.

Numerous managers, aging team, not winning trophies as much.

I'd rather us do it right and slowly if it means consistently being at the top, rather than knee-jerk investment in order for 1 years success, to then blow up the next....or for another 20 years.

Let me ask you this, IF we had won the league in 09 and it still fizzled out like this, where we are now. Wouldn't that be worse? Yes we'd have won the league, but faced another 20 years without it....would you be OK with that? It would have ended up feeling too quick and not "right"

Wouldn't you rather us spend 2-3 years building now, in order for a consistent run of winning titles over decades from now?

I know what I'd choose!

I would rather build steady too on sound foundations Craney but where is the building? Some good sponsorship deals yes but one off's based on our past history. Where is the building for the future in fact what is their vision? you don't know that nor do I we are both guessing. For all we know they could be planning to put the club back on the market. And I am sick of hearing they got rid our our debt they have not. If its got rid of then who paid it ?

Only thing left to do now is the DOF and Manager positions

Craney I have just listened to the chairman of Tesco laying out their recovery plans today to their Shareholders and customers. What is LFC's recovery plan. You can only tell me what YOU perceive it to be or what you wish it to be. As supporters should we not know if only in outline would that not lift the club why the big secret? Thats what I can't get my head around I do understand the previous owners made false promises but that no reason for the total news block out. Something is not right here.