And Shankly's ideas seem to have been independently-derived - he played that way because it was a bit of a reflection of his socialist upbringing. Whereas total football was a bit of an amalgamation of several different concepts from different sources.
i read somewhere that
Shankly established P&M after an encounter with Ajax, Liverpool lost the game by a big margin, and Shankly was impressed by the style of Ajax, so he started the P&M, but the training for it was indpendantly established.
so the origins are the same
