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I just believe we need consistency and champions league football as soon as possible.

My reason is more revenue would be generated and I feel the owners can then move forward with stadium plans which again would generate more revenue and sponsorship deals.

Each year we miss out on Champions league football we are falling behind teams above us, attracting quality players and additional revenue to move the club forward.

I feel the manager is going to play an important role attracting big players.
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I completely agree. We need to get back into those top 4 places asap. Despite our great cup runs this season, it hasn't happened at all for us in the league, and we really can't afford another league campaign like that. I don't think MAJOR changes are needed in the squad. I wouldn't sell any more than 4-5 players max. I'd bring in replacements for whoever leaves, and another striker and winger on top of that.

Striker,right winger are priority for me.

I would like to see all the new buys given a second season apart from Adam. I would love an Alonso and Torres clone please.

I don't think Kenny Dalglish is a dead man walking. Imagine if we won all but 1 game out of the remaining games this season? He would almost definitely keep his job. So whilst that is unlikely, we have established there is a finish line he could cross that would allow him to keep his job, and it involves him demonstrating a major turn around in results. Where the line is drawn is up for debate however.

We can't know the thought processes of the owners, they may feel you should always give a manager more than a season, they may feel (unlike me) that winning the two lesser domestic trophies equates to demonstrating a platform to build upon. Maybe they only needed the one trophy? We can't know where the line is drawn but I'd suggest there definitely was one to cross. So I think we rule out 'dead man walking' at this juncture.

The ideal scenario is that THE all time legend of our club would turn things around and bring is in to a new dawn, I would love to be proved wrong on Kenny and for him to succeed. I do however feel that he has down more (a lot more) that enough to be sacked. If nothing else is abysmal transfer windows leave him deserving a firm boot, on top of that we have our worst league season in 50 years to firm up that boot a little more.

I could go through a long list of his failings, but we already know them, similarly I could go through a few managers and players that have turned it around after a bad first season, but again we already know that list as well. For me, it is a simple fact that there are more reasons to think Kenny is not up to the task at hand than there are to think he is given time. Most suggestion that he is comes from comparisons to great managers that have been given time, but we can't know even 1% if he will be the same as these 'freak' statistics, whereas reason to believe he isn't up to the task mostly stems from mistakes he himself has made in the here and now (for me a much better yard stick to judge someone by).

It is this that makes me say in order to want kenny to continue, people are supplementing a little bit of evidence with hope and belief, both intangible ideas compared to the evidence of Kenny's recent reign. It is for us to wait and see if the owners hold more stock in hope that Kenny can change things for the better, rather than mounting reason to believe he can't.

As a qualifier I would say there is evidence to suggest he might get things right, but I just think it is outweighed by the evidence that he can't, thus one side of the debate relying on faith more than the other.

Juventus who are a not too disimilar club to Liverpool have had 3 seasons out of the champs league and one of those in Serie B due to match fixing. Are they doomed forever? no they have slowly re-built a side and will qualify this year. The best thing is that they have a blend of good young players and a few older heads. Somebody did say that 100mil would be needed to immediately turn Liverpool into a top 4 side. Well Man city spent 210mil and got 5th, it does not happen in one fail swoop.

A decent young side (which we are)needs two or three each season to be of high quality to be signed or break through. This season Suarez, Enrique have really improved us in their positions, with Kelly breaking through. Next season I would like to see Carroll and Henderson cementing their place and showing their quality. Heres then hoping for 2/3 extra quality players to be brought in.

Ideally, I'd like the same. I'd definitely like to see Henderson and Downing given another season, and I think both will be. Carroll, I'm not too sure about. I'd like to see him given one more season, but I'm not convinced that he will be. It'll be a massive gamble. Aside from the fact that he was never worth anywhere near the £35m paid for him, his value has depreciated a lot. If we give him another season, and he doesn't improve any more, it'll depreciate even more. If he rediscovers his goalscoring form though, his value will rise, as will his value to the team. I still have faith that he can prove a top player, but the decision on whether he stays or goes won't be made by me.

I think as a Club the likes of Us, Spurs, Newcastle and Everton's of this world can only climb so far, we will never be able to compete with the bigger Clubs of United, City, Chelsea and lesser extent Arsenal's of this world. I think we already slowly seen Spurs slip out of the title race and will probably see Newcastle slide out of the race for fourth even though at the moment they are doing really well.
Next season I cant see Chelsea and Arsenal being as poor again as they were this season which sends out an onimous warning to the second tier teams behind them such as Us, Spurs, Newcastle and Everton.

You predictably didn't answer my earlier question, so I'll ask it again: