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I don't know. For me, he's a donkey pretty much all the time. One swallow doesn't make a summer. I think it's pretty clear that we're not going to have a 20-goal striker on our hands unless something drastic happens. He's only recently gone from "Not looking bothered, not running, not trying, not scoring, flopping around and falling down a lot, having the touch of a rapist" to "Running around a bit, looking slightly more bothered, falling down slightly less, still not scoring, still having the touch of a rapist." There's been an improvement there, but not enough. He's never going to be able to justify his price - that's a given. I don't blame him for that. There are very few players that are worth £35 million. But he hasn't even really been able to justify a spot in the starting XI. I just don't see what he brings to the table. Whatever it is, it's certainly not goals. The fact that we have an "Andy Carroll Appreciation Thread" is absolutely ludicrous. About as ludicrous as all the threads that get made slaughtering him (and any other player) everytime they play a single bad game. If you're gonna have one, why not have the other. Fair is fair
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Carroll has been under enormous pressure, particularly of late, and especially after the Newcastle game. Perhaps you view his performance as "average", but you have to admit it's a significant step up from what we usually see from him. And he managed to score a crucial goal. He also spent a large percentage of the game defending - that's going to hurt his prospects of scoring goals.
Henderson too did more than you suggest - he provided one or two really good balls in, and went past his man more than once. That's a really good effort for someone playing hopelessly out of position.
For once both these players didn't look entirely out of place wearing red - and that to me means they had really good games. Perhaps it was a flash in the pan, perhaps it was signs of finding their feet. Your mileage may vary.
I somewhat agree, in that if you take the performance relative to previous ones and throw in the fact that that he was playing a very difficult game then yes it was a good performance, but still not as good as OP makes it sound. I stand by that, I would want him to have held the ball up better, and in the first half not give the ball away so much for me to say it was a very good performance. He did well and deserves credit for a comitted performance after a dificult couple of weeks in a difficult game. So to henderson deserves praise for commited performance in an unfamiliar position, and at times got forward to sort of good affect. But again, his defending just wasn't very good, I don't blame him for it, he was out of position, we had 10 men, but hoillet was having a delightful time running at him until others came to cover. So credit to both of them, committed performances in a difficult situation, couple of bright flashes from the pair, probably better than what I've seen before, but not particularly great, and like I said I stand by that. It was good, but it certainly wasn't great. I don't want to dwell on tht though, I'd rather dwell on the positives like the commitment energy and the WIN(!!!!). We didn't stop until the whistle was blown, we kept plugging away, and fantastic awareness by agger and and a great header from carroll. Also as a man who champions the idea himself, I'm sure you'd agree Carroll MUST start every game that he can along side suarez. I'm going to burst a testicle if its suarez up front by himself with downing and henderson on the wings on saturday.
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Yes, what I'm saying is, when he doesn't score every week he's a "donkey" when he scores.....he's not.
He has been playing like this in most games, he just hasn't put the ball into the back of the net.
I don't think he's been a 'donkey', I know some do, but it sounds as though (and I'm genuinely asking here) you think his performances have been of a satisfactory or higher standard and just lacking in goals or assists? Perhaps I misunderstand, but if you are saying that, I'd have to strongly disagree. I don't think his performances have been anywhere near what I would want from a Liverpool no.9. I don't consider him to be the donkey that many do, but nor do I think he's even reached the dizzying heights of average in most of the games he's played.
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I don't know. For me, he's a donkey pretty much all the time. One swallow doesn't make a summer. I think it's pretty clear that we're not going to have a 20-goal striker on our hands unless something drastic happens. He's only recently gone from "Not looking bothered, not running, not trying, not scoring, flopping around and falling down a lot, having the touch of a rapist" to "Running around a bit, looking slightly more bothered, falling down slightly less, still not scoring, still having the touch of a rapist." There's been an improvement there, but not enough. He's never going to be able to justify his price - that's a given. I don't blame him for that. There are very few players that are worth £35 million. But he hasn't even really been able to justify a spot in the starting XI. I just don't see what he brings to the table. Whatever it is, it's certainly not goals. The fact that we have an "Andy Carroll Appreciation Thread" is absolutely ludicrous. About as ludicrous as all the threads that get made slaughtering him (and any other player) everytime they play a single bad game. If you're gonna have one, why not have the other. Fair is fair Andy Carroll has threads "slaughtering" him because he's been under-whelming/poor/awful (delete as appropriate) for about a year now. He is the paradigm of Kenny's transfer policy: English, over-priced, and not very good. And most importantly, it just doesn't look like he gives much of a sh*t. I say one of the worst transfers in English football history - given his price and the paltry return - warrants a thread or two.
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I don't know. For me, he's a donkey pretty much all the time. One swallow doesn't make a summer. I think it's pretty clear that we're not going to have a 20-goal striker on our hands unless something drastic happens. He's only recently gone from "Not looking bothered, not running, not trying, not scoring, flopping around and falling down a lot, having the touch of a rapist" to "Running around a bit, looking slightly more bothered, falling down slightly less, still not scoring, still having the touch of a rapist." There's been an improvement there, but not enough. He's never going to be able to justify his price - that's a given. I don't blame him for that. There are very few players that are worth £35 million. But he hasn't even really been able to justify a spot in the starting XI. I just don't see what he brings to the table. Whatever it is, it's certainly not goals. The fact that we have an "Andy Carroll Appreciation Thread" is absolutely ludicrous. About as ludicrous as all the threads that get made slaughtering him (and any other player) everytime they play a single bad game. If you're gonna have one, why not have the other. Fair is fair Andy Carroll has threads "slaughtering" him because he's been under-whelming/poor/awful (delete as appropriate) for about a year now. He is the paradigm of Kenny's transfer policy: English, over-priced, and not very good. And most importantly, it just doesn't look like he gives much of a sh*t. I say one of the worst transfers in English football history - given his price and the paltry return - warrants a thread or two. A thread or two. There have been WAY more than "a thread or two" about how "sh*t" he's been, let me tell you. I'm not getting carried away or thinking he's any way close to being some kind of world-beater because of one goal. I'm not thinking his was worth anywhere near what we paid for him either. But for god's sake just try to stop f*cking moaning and whining about him for a day or two and just give the lad a bit of credit for once.
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I agree with bar ,i am still amazed we won the match it had catastrophie written all over it, that s what AC should be doing being a beast in the penalty area, not rocket science is it, he terrifies defenders when he's in the box even if he dont get the ball he gives space for suarez and hopefully any one else who gets in the box
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I don't know. For me, he's a donkey pretty much all the time. One swallow doesn't make a summer. I think it's pretty clear that we're not going to have a 20-goal striker on our hands unless something drastic happens. He's only recently gone from "Not looking bothered, not running, not trying, not scoring, flopping around and falling down a lot, having the touch of a rapist" to "Running around a bit, looking slightly more bothered, falling down slightly less, still not scoring, still having the touch of a rapist." There's been an improvement there, but not enough. He's never going to be able to justify his price - that's a given. I don't blame him for that. There are very few players that are worth £35 million. But he hasn't even really been able to justify a spot in the starting XI. I just don't see what he brings to the table. Whatever it is, it's certainly not goals. The fact that we have an "Andy Carroll Appreciation Thread" is absolutely ludicrous. About as ludicrous as all the threads that get made slaughtering him (and any other player) everytime they play a single bad game. If you're gonna have one, why not have the other. Fair is fair Andy Carroll has threads "slaughtering" him because he's been under-whelming/poor/awful (delete as appropriate) for about a year now. He is the paradigm of Kenny's transfer policy: English, over-priced, and not very good. And most importantly, it just doesn't look like he gives much of a sh*t. I say one of the worst transfers in English football history - given his price and the paltry return - warrants a thread or two. A thread or two. There have been WAY more than "a thread or two" about how "sh*t" he's been, let me tell you. I'm not getting carried away or thinking he's any way close to being some kind of world-beater because of one goal. I'm not thinking his was worth anywhere near what we paid for him either. But for god's sake just try to stop f*cking moaning and whining about him for a day or two and just give the lad a bit of credit for once. You mad bro?
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Enlighten me - why am I mad, 'bro'?
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Not just saying this because he scored last night, but I think he should start against Everton. In fact, I'd start him in every single game til the end of the season. I don't know if he's going to be sold on at the end of the season or not, and I don't know if that's even been decided or not, but one thing is for sure in my mind - if he's playing for his future, then f*cking LET HIM play for his future. Everytime this season that he's scored, he's found himself on the bench in the next game or two. I don't agree with that and I'm not surprised that confidence is hard to come by for him.
Kenny said after the game that "two players" have played themselves into contention for the semi final - Wonder which two he meant?
Shelvey? Maxi? Jones! Johnson and Agger I reckon.
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Enlighten me - why am I mad, 'bro'? Apparently that one went over your head. Relax amigo, I'm just trying to get a rise. All in good fun.
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