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I know there have been plenty of Andy Carroll threads but this is specifically about how he has been handled since arriving at LFC.
We all know he isn't and never will be worth £35 million, however has he really been given a fair chance?
My opinion on the matter is that this season he has been in and out of the team every single week, not once has he had a chance to build up fitness and confidence through a regular run of games!
Stewart Downing was bought mainly to supply Carroll with crosses to attak, why do they never start together? Once again at Newcastle Carroll started and Downing was on the bench, this completely baffles me as Downing is the only out and out winger u have so playing Carroll without him is beyond me!
Another point is about his substitution on Sunday, the game was lost, why on earth did Kenny take him off? All it did was give the Geordies ammo to abuse him which they did!!! I personally felt really sorry for Carroll because it was a ridiculous sub and just made him even more of as target! I think this point sums up Kenny's management of AC which this season has been shocking!!!
I don't know if it would be any different if Kenny had given Carroll as many chances as Henderson or Adam this year? It would have been nice to see him get a regular run of games but that is never going to happen now!
Finally, does KD's handling of Carroll mean that AC was a Commolli signing? The way he has been treated reminds me a lot of Rafa and Robbie Keane!
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Good players don't need an entire team built to their exact specifications in order to score goals. Carroll is not a footballer. He is a very tall training cone.
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fuuck andy carroll. sick of him.
f i had to choose who to keep, him or kd it would be kenny all the way.
Luis Garcia, He drinks sangria
He came from Barca, to bring us Joy
He's five foot seven, he's football heaven
please don't take my Luis away.
"...AND 32 MILLION POUNDS WORTH OF GOALKEEPER CAN'T DO A THING ABOUT IT"
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Finally, does KD's handling of Carroll mean that AC was a Commolli signing? The way he has been treated reminds me a lot of Rafa and Robbie Keane!
Oh dear, blaming it on poor old Commolli again I see..
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I know there have been plenty of Andy Carroll threads but this is specifically about how he has been handled since arriving at LFC.
We all know he isn't and never will be worth £35 million, however has he really been given a fair chance?
My opinion on the matter is that this season he has been in and out of the team every single week, not once has he had a chance to build up fitness and confidence through a regular run of games!
Stewart Downing was bought mainly to supply Carroll with crosses to attak, why do they never start together? Once again at Newcastle Carroll started and Downing was on the bench, this completely baffles me as Downing is the only out and out winger u have so playing Carroll without him is beyond me!
Another point is about his substitution on Sunday, the game was lost, why on earth did Kenny take him off? All it did was give the Geordies ammo to abuse him which they did!!! I personally felt really sorry for Carroll because it was a ridiculous sub and just made him even more of as target! I think this point sums up Kenny's management of AC which this season has been shocking!!!
I don't know if it would be any different if Kenny had given Carroll as many chances as Henderson or Adam this year? It would have been nice to see him get a regular run of games but that is never going to happen now!
Finally, does KD's handling of Carroll mean that AC was a Commolli signing? The way he has been treated reminds me a lot of Rafa and Robbie Keane!
maybe just maybe the problem lies with Andy Carroll, everybody keeps looking for someone else to blame. Who is to blame for his poor touch? who is to blame for his shocking lack of movement? who is to blame for his total lack of fitness?(the worst seen at Liverpool ever -came from the doctors at the club) who is to blame for him diving around when hardly touched(or not even touched aka sunday) for me all these traits have been there since he joined us and not just recently. He has never had a great game and was ok for 20mins on Sunday. He was warned at Newcastle about his application to his craft and even by Capello and as yet not taken it on board. I just hope that now after seeing his beloved Newcastle fans boo him constantly during the game that he may stand up and 'grow a set' because he is very much on his own or a Liverpool player. His career at last has reached a point where he needs to grow up. I want Andy Carroll the beast in a red shirt not this swearing and moaning pansy. Maybe the Newcastle game and his outburst has brought home some truths.
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The thread was about LFC's and KD's handling of Andy Carroll, that's all!
And with respect, our team under Rafa was perfectly set up for Fernando Torres, we played to his strengths which is why he was so lethal for us! As soon as Alonso left, Torres was a shadow of the player he was, co-incidence?
Carroll isn't good enough and I'm not saying he is, however I won't have a go at a player who I don't believe has been given a fair chance!
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He's been given a full season now of working with some of the best coaches in the league, at some of the best facilities in the league, training with some of the better players in the league, and he's still the same old lumbering idiot with an atrocious first touch and technique. His attitude is nothing short of shocking. While his booze-ups might have been tolerated about 30 years ago, they have no place in the modern game. On the pitch, he is constantly moaning and whining, happy to place the blame on everyone but himself. For an absolutely massive player, he goes down far too easily. These are things that it is well within his power to change - he can stop drinking, moving around and giving an effort on the pitch, stay on his feet, improve his first touch, etc. I fail to see how his predicament is anyone's fault but his own.
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Ain't having it guys, sorry!  Carroll was f*cking brilliant at Newcastle, call it "half a season of Premier League football" all you want. He was a totally different player in just about every aspect. He got them up with his goals, He bullied us when we played against him! He bullied other teams in the league! That's why we f*cking bought him! It's a bit different though, when a manager clearly fancies somebody else that plays in your position, when you know you are good enough! At Newcastle the manager put everything behind Carroll, he was loved and idolized by the fans. Just like some of us were with Torres.....look at Torres at Chelsea when Villas Boas was there!!!!!! Look at him now!!!! Carroll has been treated like sh*t by Dalglish, instead of putting the faith in him and putting an arm around him, he left him to rot on the bench and then MAGICALLY expected him to come good in 10 minute cameo's. RUBBISH! Dalglish would rather Carroll be in his own box defending, or in midfield, instead of pushing him, on to get in the box with a fiery goalscoring/poacher attitude. If Dalglish put the same sort of support in Andy, as he does Luis, we'd see the same Carroll of Newcastle. No doubt about it! I don't want us to sell Carroll at all, because if a new manager came in, who genuinely had the best for Carroll at heart, we'd get the best out of him! The fact is, Kenny obviously doesn't put the same support in Andy....and now we are supposed to be surprised that Carroll has flipped out? B*llshit! Any other line of work you'd want to smash your bosses face in if they kept f*cking you about! ....and yes I know, the money they get paid etc etc etc, but this isn't about money, this is about respect. The lad is a footballer, who wants to play football, PUT THE FAITH IN HIM!
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Ain't having it guys, sorry! Carroll was f*cking brilliant at Newcastle, call it "half a season of Premier League football" all you want. He was a totally different player in just about every aspect. He got them up with his goals, He bullied us when we played against him! He bullied other teams in the league! That's why we f*cking bought him! It's a bit different though, when a manager clearly fancies somebody else that plays in your position, when you know you are good enough! At Newcastle the manager put everything behind Carroll, he was loved and idolized by the fans. Just like some of us were with Torres.....look at Torres at Chelsea when Villas Boas was there!!!!!! Look at him now!!!! Carroll has been treated like sh*t by Dalglish, instead of putting the faith in him and putting an arm around him, he left him to rot on the bench and then MAGICALLY expected him to come good in 10 minute cameo's. RUBBISH! Dalglish would rather Carroll be in his own box defending, or in midfield, instead of pushing him, on to get in the box with a fiery goalscoring/poacher attitude. If Dalglish put the same sort of support in Andy, as he does Luis, we'd see the same Carroll of Newcastle. No doubt about it! I don't want us to sell Carroll at all, because if a new manager came in, who genuinely had the best for Carroll at heart, we'd get the best out of him! The fact is, Kenny obviously doesn't put the same support in Andy....and now we are supposed to be surprised that Carroll has flipped out? B*llshit! Any other line of work you'd want to smash your bosses face in if they kept f*cking you about! ....and yes I know, the money they get paid etc etc etc, but this isn't about money, this is about respect. The lad is a footballer, who wants to play football, PUT THE FAITH IN HIM! He has played over 45 games for Liverpool and rarely done a thing. All those commenst you make about his ability mean nothing if he does not put the effort in. He passes the ball off then fails to run into the box, it was even highlighted by Lawro - why does he not move?
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Maybe it's tactical? Have you ever thought of that? Maybe that's Dalglish in his ear, Drop off! Let Luis do everything!
It could be psychological, cast your mind back to some of Carroll's first games he played, he was laying the ball of, knocking it down and then getting into the box for the cross.......a cross that never came.
The man is seriously lacking confidence with himself and others around him, maybe he thinks now when he lays the ball of out wide, he knows the cross is going to go in the box, so he stands of to create space for a shot?
The goals he has scored have come from dropping of into space, but they should be coming from balls into the box....bit of a problem, when the balls aren't beating the first defender!
Not to mention, you get dragged of against your old team, who've give you stick all day, not a problem if you've played sh*t! But I honestly thought Shelvey and Carroll were our best players, in a dire performance. Yet both of them were dragged of, when there were players on the picture who didn't perform at all.
How are you supposed to feel? Happy?
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