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Excellent article by Jonathan Wilson of Fox Soccer. Everyone should have a read of this whether you're a Dalglish-basher or a Dalglish-backer.

http://msn.foxsports.com/foxsoccer/premi...progress-031812

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Great find Bar.
Excellent article.

I particularly like the excerpt below.

Takes me back to the days when Liverpool fans were renowned for their patience with their managers


"In Brian Clough’s first seasons at Derby County and at Nottingham Forest, he finished in the bottom half of the second flight. Within five years he had won the league with Derby; it took three with Forest. Alex Ferguson was in his seventh year at Manchester United when he won the league for the first time. Herbert Chapman was in his sixth at Arsenal. Don Revie just avoided relegation in his first season at Leeds; it took him three years even to be promoted "

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Are you saying we should have been more patient with Roy then, and given him 3 or 4 years?

All of the teams you mention we're struggling at the time and Had low expectations.

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Not saying we should sack, but AC INTER REAL BARCA JUVE B MUNICH all sack managers on the back of a poor seasonS and all these clubs win more titles than lfc in the last 20 yrs, Can't keep bringing the fergie example up he is just a freak

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Great find. I think it's pretty evident that unless there's a paradigm shift and we stop this "we want it now" nonsense, we will NEVER be great again. This was a project to rebuild the club completely. Dalglish deserves at least one more season. We owe him that.

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Well said.

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Originally Posted By: redordead13
Great find. I think it's pretty evident that unless there's a paradigm shift and we stop this "we want it now" nonsense, we will NEVER be great again. This was a project to rebuild the club completely. Dalglish deserves at least one more season. We owe him that.


Why do we "owe him that"? The way I see it, we will never be great again until we get a great manager.

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Did you read the bloody article? We owe him that if not for the trophies and titles he's won in the past, if not for who he is to the club, we owe it to him because of what he did last season. He saved us, and you can chalk it up to "better morale," but players don't have a comeback like that without being led and inspired by someone. Managers used to be given time. If you don't like the examples that article gave, I have another one.

Shankly took the Helm in 1959, and he didn't get Liverpool promoted until the 1961-162 season. He didn't win his first title until 1964. Do you really hold him to a higher standard than Shankly?

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Originally Posted By: collyb
Not saying we should sack, but AC INTER REAL BARCA JUVE B MUNICH all sack managers on the back of a poor seasonS and all these clubs win more titles than lfc in the last 20 yrs, Can't keep bringing the fergie example up he is just a freak


Out of those teams you mentioned, which ones play in England?

The closest example to that in England is Chelsea. Jose Mourinho won 2 titles at Chelsea. Since then, they've just one 1 title - and that's having gone through 7 different managers.


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Originally Posted By: redordead13
Did you read the bloody article? We owe him that if not for the trophies and titles he's won in the past, if not for who he is to the club, we owe it to him because of what he did last season. He saved us, and you can chalk it up to "better morale," but players don't have a comeback like that without being led and inspired by someone. Managers used to be given time. If you don't like the examples that article gave, I have another one.

Shankly took the Helm in 1959, and he didn't get Liverpool promoted until the 1961-162 season. He didn't win his first title until 1964. Do you really hold him to a higher standard than Shankly?


Valid question - Did you read the whole article?


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