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where are these stats then bigredknob? You will lose your account with such posts. Please refrain.
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In fairness, mate - Manchester United bought Valencia from Wigan, Smalling from Fulham, Jones from Blackburn. Chelsea bought Cahill from Bolton. In support of BarLennon: What about Man U only willing to loan Tevez from West Ham, not actually buy him? What about LFC buying Mascherano off the bench from the same club? How about John Barnes from that English footballing powerhouse Watford? Football is a team game. It would be good to remember that.
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Ask yourself...Blackpool and Sunderland..two struggling teams..was it prudent to take two players from those two aweful teams and then implant them into lfc crucial area of midfield in tandem along with downing and carrol..of course it was not.A recipe for mediocrity and by and large that is what we now have.Dalglish's blue print so far as the league is concerned is doing exactly as it says on the box and is all it can ever be expected to be. In fairness, mate - Manchester United bought Valencia from Wigan, Smalling from Fulham, Jones from Blackburn. Chelsea bought Cahill from Bolton. Those are just recent ones off the top of my head - the list would go on. Whatever your opinions of Adam and Henderson, fine, that's one thing, and completely acceptable. But the argument that they're not good enough because they came from lesser teams isn't right. I don't like this mentality that if a player isn't good enough for LFC, then suddenly they're classed as a "Championship standard player". If Adam, Henderson, Carroll, Downing - or whatever other LFC player you don't fancy - went up for sale tomorrow, there'd be plenty of interested parties for each of them in the Premiership. I doubt that very much. We were pretty much the only ones interested back then so with a season of poor performances under their belt why would anyone be interested now?
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Ever hear the saying..if tomorrow never comes.... That's not a saying, it's a gay song 
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'If there is hope, it lies in the proles'
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Ask yourself...Blackpool and Sunderland..two struggling teams..was it prudent to take two players from those two aweful teams and then implant them into lfc crucial area of midfield in tandem along with downing and carrol..of course it was not.A recipe for mediocrity and by and large that is what we now have.Dalglish's blue print so far as the league is concerned is doing exactly as it says on the box and is all it can ever be expected to be. In fairness, mate - Manchester United bought Valencia from Wigan, Smalling from Fulham, Jones from Blackburn. Chelsea bought Cahill from Bolton. Those are just recent ones off the top of my head - the list would go on. Whatever your opinions of Adam and Henderson, fine, that's one thing, and completely acceptable. But the argument that they're not good enough because they came from lesser teams isn't right. I don't like this mentality that if a player isn't good enough for LFC, then suddenly they're classed as a "Championship standard player". If Adam, Henderson, Carroll, Downing - or whatever other LFC player you don't fancy - went up for sale tomorrow, there'd be plenty of interested parties for each of them in the Premiership. I doubt that very much. We were pretty much the only ones interested back then so with a season of poor performances under their belt why would anyone be interested now? Firstly, I didn't say TOP Premiership clubs, necessarily. There would be Premiership clubs interested in all of them though - whether that be clubs at the top, middle or bottom. The point I was making with it was this term that's thrown about too often - "Championship standard player". It's an exaggerated term.
*RODGERS *SKRTEL *JONJO
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Ask yourself...Blackpool and Sunderland..two struggling teams..was it prudent to take two players from those two aweful teams and then implant them into lfc crucial area of midfield in tandem along with downing and carrol..of course it was not.A recipe for mediocrity and by and large that is what we now have.Dalglish's blue print so far as the league is concerned is doing exactly as it says on the box and is all it can ever be expected to be. In fairness, mate - Manchester United bought Valencia from Wigan, Smalling from Fulham, Jones from Blackburn. Chelsea bought Cahill from Bolton. Those are just recent ones off the top of my head - the list would go on. Whatever your opinions of Adam and Henderson, fine, that's one thing, and completely acceptable. But the argument that they're not good enough because they came from lesser teams isn't right. I don't like this mentality that if a player isn't good enough for LFC, then suddenly they're classed as a "Championship standard player". If Adam, Henderson, Carroll, Downing - or whatever other LFC player you don't fancy - went up for sale tomorrow, there'd be plenty of interested parties for each of them in the Premiership. I doubt that very much. We were pretty much the only ones interested back then so with a season of poor performances under their belt why would anyone be interested now? You think Stoke City would NOT be interested in signing Andy Carroll? Obviously not at 35m, but he's perfect for their 6'2"+, good-in-the-air system. He'd probably gladly move so that he can play in his comfort zone for the rest of his career rather than being forced to push the envelope as Dalglish is trying to get him to do now. Any club short a little bit in the middle would snap up Henderson at a reasonable fee. England U21 Captain? Thank you! Downing would add value to any mid-table EPL side, it's only Adam who is Championship quality, and only because he thinks the club he's at revolves around him (which is most certainly not true at Liverpool). At best half a manager's signings work out over the duration of their contracts. Given than only Adam appears to have actually failed, Kenny Dalglish is actually doing rather well, even if he spent a bit too much Moneyball-influenced cash to get what he has.
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Fair enough, possibly Carroll and downing 'might' get snapped up, but the point is only by smaller clubs, which just shows the lack of quality which we have in our first team.
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the point is, these signings have not improved our first team 11
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the point is, these signings have not improved our first team 11 Not sure I agree with that. I'd take Downing over Babel or Jovanic or Joe Cole on the left every day. I'd take Carroll over N'Gog, Suarez over a sulking Torres. I'd take Enrique over Konchesky, Insua, and Aurelio. I'd take Bellamy over Kuyt. I'd take Henderson over Shelvey or Joe Cole or a discontented Meireles in the middle. I'd take a keeper with Doni's experience for the bench. I accepted Adam as a backup when Gerrard was injured because of his threat from dead-ball situations, but unfortunately he's just not delivered and now that signing looks terribly short-sighted in hindsight. We're definitely a better squad, but we perform at the same level because we've hit the frame of the goal as much as 50% of the time we've scored. Had we converted 40% of those there's an excellent chance we'd be looking good for 4th rather than 6th. Yes, there's a lot more to it than that, but that's the thin line between success and failure in this league of 6 teams fighting for 4 places in the CL.
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the point is, these signings have not improved our first team 11 It may not be much but you are wrond on this point heggy. Maybe not the differemce we'd expect considering the financial difference
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