KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Reasons for Kenny to stay for next season

I wasn't giving Kenny credit for selling them, but that's where the money came from. It's not like FSG put it in, is it? You can't keep going back and saying "This money belonged to him, and this to him, and oh yeah Gerrard belongs to Evans, etc". That's all rubbish. You can only look at what you have, not how you go there, because you can only deal with what you have. Had Hodgson sold Torres in the summer and H&G pocketed the money, and THEN Kenny bought Suarez and Carroll, then the picture is different. That is 50m of FSG investment, and therefore direct cost incurred by Dalglish.

Besides, Kenny could have kept Torres. Had he done so do you think Suarez and Carroll would be at the club? These decisions are linked, as is the money. Kenny didn't create 100m out of thin air. He got it by selling players. Every time you sell a player you weaken the squad. Don't think we didn't go backwards by selling Konchesky, Poulsen, Torres, Meireles, Babel, Insua, Degen, Jovanovic etc, and loaning Aquilani, Pacheco, Shelvey, and Cole. Don't think that Suarez, Downing, Henderson, Enrique, Bellamy, Adam, and Carroll are on the wages commanded by Torres, Cole (who we still pay 50k per week for), and Jovanovic. They're not even close. Expand that difference over the remaining period of the contracts ended and those signed. 3.5 years at 175k is 31.8m. That's Torres alone. Jovanovic and Cole were on 90k. Perhaps you don't see that total saving as "money" because it is money "not spent and therefore spendable" rather than "money earned". But that the economist's view, and Henry is much more economist than footballer.

Carroll and Henderson and Downing may have a lower value at present than what we paid, but that's not relevant until we want to sell them. We've not utilized their potential. They are still young. They may not ever reach their purchase price. I'm not going to argue that the squad has not lost value over the course of the season - it has. For a 5 year project that only costs 10m more than what the club could reasonably expect to pay from a position outside the European leagues, and will earn you whatever you get from player sales (even Adam), to have reached the EL at the first attempt is a (minor) step forward. Now we build.

We weren't trying to reach the CL just so we could break even, but that's what a lot of people seem to think. We needed to reach the CL so we could guarantee exponential growth, including the stadium. Missing the CL has set us back on our long term goals, and has used up the war chest from player sales. This is a loss in potential, not a loss in money, because it's not money we had a right to think was ours (as opposed to the loss from the wage bill which was ours). We will progress much slower now, but that doesn't mean we went backwards.

He sold some and then had his transfer kitty pulled, so he bought none. That's how much support he had.

I have watched O'Niell manage for over 15 years, he is a winner that will give you a team to be proud of from day1.

His teams :
-score
-defend
-are consistent
-have tenacity
-have pace
-play for 90+ getting many results ate the end of the game
-can go on long winning runs

i think kenny should be manager next season because it takes many aspects of a club to get into a row before success happens. not all of them are kenny's responsibility. the kit deals and sponsorship generates revenue which provides a war chest and money for larger wages which, in part, can attract players.

mr. henry, kenny, the chairman have consistently stated that this is a long term build. i don't think kenny will be in charge in 10 years time but he will be in the managers role for another 2 anyway. i would say that at the end of that 2 years we will be in the top 4 and have a first 11, bench, and academy capable of maintaining that top 4 and launching us towards consistent title challenges.

if your expectancy was that as a minimum we would be top 4 this season or he should be sacked, well then that's your opinion. i personally didn't have that expectancy. considering where the club (not just the team) was at 18 months, i think we are in a better place. that will take time to start showing on the pitch. without doubt we are inconsistent. without doubt we have had some bad results. but some comments would suggest that there is a crisis at the club. i don't believe that personally.

no doubt we are a club with an outstanding history and stature and we all want to get back to that. i think that will happen but not over 2 seasons. empires are build over longer periods than that. before that can be done bad work has to be undone. the club got rid of alot of dead wood in the past 18 months. no doubt in building this club back up, errors will be made. adam looks to be one of those. i have faith in carroll and hendo and even downing. they aren't showing as well and as quickly as expected but i think it will come good. more players will arrive and i think we will get back to where we should be.

i'm glad we have john henry as owner and not some sugar daddy like chelski do. i think he has integrity and that he won't be chopping managers every couple of seasons. sure they have had success in the past 5/6 years but looking at where they are now and the money they spent doesn't make me envious in the least. they've had little or no success from their academy (in the first 11), they have an aging squad and no stability.

i hope john henry sticks with kenny for another couple of seasons and i think he will and i think that's the right choice.

Why do you think we are in a better place drome? For me I can't get past the signings no matter how hard I try. Adam, Downing, Carroll, Henderson are not good enough for Liverpool FC and Gerrard and Caragher are aging. There is a lot of talk about Sterling / Coady etc but none are coming through to the first team for whatever reason. I personally think we are going backwards

Stan, good post, apart from Carroll, Jose, belly, coates, the rest of the signings have been pants, if downing, hendo had been signed for 10m or less, then I wud not be too.upset with their poor form, cuzz they were signed for big fee's, ahead of foreign players who r more talented than them, that really fcuks me off, kd, comolli must take the blame for this.

Carroll I.believe can be a striker to be feared, if kd signs two.quality wingers in the summer. We will c the best of Carroll next season, if he is not sold in the summer.

If kd can sign quality players to.improve the starting 11, in the summer, bring in a top top foreign coach, I think a cl place will b gained next season.
And I think the signings kd makes in the summer, will make or break.him at lfc.

I wud luv comolli to be removed from lfc, he is a man not to be trusted.
Their r fans on this site, that can scout players better than comolli and not get ripped off by paying stupid prices for some British average players.

Let's win the Fa cup, [oops] the league form, finishing 6/7/8/9 etc is all the same, its top 4, or nothing that matters in the league.

Wud luv to see avb work with kd, for a year.

Kd cud be doing a juventus, here, building a title winning team over 2/3 yrs.

You left out Suarez - has he not been a good signing, no?

Every single manager signs bad player - EVERY SINGLE MANAGER. No exceptions. Fergie himself has signed tons of stinkers - he's had far more expensive flops than we've had, too.

Honestly, on the back of those 3 league defeats in a row it's been looking bleak for Kenny as we drift further and further off the pace. I think there is a shot at redemption - but only if we play like we did last night for the rest of the season - and get the results to match. I believe 4th is out of reach, but we can finish 6th or 5th. 7th is not good enough.

If we finish the season strong, and Kenny persists with the trio that have showed much promise in their 3 starts together, then we can end the season on a high, and climb a place or 2, and possibly get an FA Cup in the bag.

IF we do that, I will be satisfied that progress has taken place. At the start of the season I said that 4th and a trophy has to be the aim, but also that we had a massive task on our hands overtaking the teams ahead of us. I said that although not ideal, I would be reasonably happy with 5th and a trophy - because i'd see that as progress.

We've currently got 16 points less than we finished last season with. We've 10 games to better that. If we pick up 23 points (big ask given form up til now) and win the FA Cup, then I would be satisfied that progress is being made - albeit maybe not as much as was expected. Some people think our season is over. It isn't. We've still got a trophy to play for that we have a very good chance of winning. If we can achieve those targets then the management team can look at putting right some of the wrongs that have been made in the transfer market and shipping out those deemed unworthy of wearing the red shirt.

Well said mate.!

I dis not think Suarez was a Kenny signing is that right? I thought that signing was in progress when Kenny took over?

Kenny was at the helm when he was signed. Hodgson didn't sign him. We could say Comolli signed him. Then we could say Comolli signed Carroll, Hendo and whoever else. We're getting back into the territory of "who gets the credit for Istanbul - Rafa or Ged?". Where does the madness stop?