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yes mistakes said that , but lest we forget the benitez era , barnsley, reading , burnley, havant and waterlooville . Losing those games was absolutely more definitive of seasons under Benitez than some of his victories, yes? </sarcasm>
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I can see reasons for and against, but I'm on a real downer atm. I was still fully behind KD in Jan but since then the slide has been alarming and shows no signs of halting. I don't want a knee-jerk reaction, but if it continues and we finish 7-10th, I don't think he will or should stay. As someone said, 4th was there for the taking this season and with a new boss at chelsea and no doubt funds, it'll be harder next season.
I do wonder how much FSG see. People talk about the great build up play, solid defence and possession but no doubt they will just see the league table, which is all that matters really. I don't know much about them, but I would assume if we do finish in one of those positions and don't see a vast improvement, Kenny will be advised to move back upstairs. I don't think the majority of fans would be offended by that and maybe the fans were the only reason they appointed him.
I don't think that's being impatient and the net spend etc.. hasn't been much (thanks to one sale) but I can't see FSG risking much more money on not qualifying for the CL again, Europa league or not.
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I can see reasons for and against, but I'm on a real downer atm. I was still fully behind KD in Jan but since then the slide has been alarming and shows no signs of halting. I don't want a knee-jerk reaction, but if it continues and we finish 7-10th, I don't think he will or should stay. As someone said, 4th was there for the taking this season and with a new boss at chelsea and no doubt funds, it'll be harder next season.
I do wonder how much FSG see. People talk about the great build up play, solid defence and possession but no doubt they will just see the league table, which is all that matters really. I don't know much about them, but I would assume if we do finish in one of those positions and don't see a vast improvement, Kenny will be advised to move back upstairs. I don't think the majority of fans would be offended by that and maybe the fans were the only reason they appointed him.
I don't think that's being impatient and the net spend etc.. hasn't been much (thanks to one sale) but I can't see FSG risking much more money on not qualifying for the CL again, Europa league or not.
What will Kenny do "upstairs"?
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I can see reasons for and against, but I'm on a real downer atm. I was still fully behind KD in Jan but since then the slide has been alarming and shows no signs of halting. I don't want a knee-jerk reaction, but if it continues and we finish 7-10th, I don't think he will or should stay. As someone said, 4th was there for the taking this season and with a new boss at chelsea and no doubt funds, it'll be harder next season.
I do wonder how much FSG see. People talk about the great build up play, solid defence and possession but no doubt they will just see the league table, which is all that matters really. I don't know much about them, but I would assume if we do finish in one of those positions and don't see a vast improvement, Kenny will be advised to move back upstairs. I don't think the majority of fans would be offended by that and maybe the fans were the only reason they appointed him.
I don't think that's being impatient and the net spend etc.. hasn't been much (thanks to one sale) but I can't see FSG risking much more money on not qualifying for the CL again, Europa league or not.
What will Kenny do "upstairs"? go to bed !!!!!
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IF YOU WANT TO BE HEARD SPEAK SOFTLY - BOB PAISLEY
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When cjkent suggested Henry send Kenny upstairs I wondered if he meant for the man to shoot him.
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I don't know, show people around the club shop? It's a way of saying 'maybe you shouldn't be manager, but we don't want to be seen to sack you, you're Kenny Daglish'... in a nice way.
Whatever he was doing before, taking cruises n stuff...
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It's not the philosophy that's lacking... it's the lack of players to fit the system. Pass and move requires quick-thinking, mobile players with good touch. We have too many slow players that have poor touch. This is why Adam is struggling... why Downing takes the wrong final ball option... and why Suarez is increasingly ineffective. Players like Adam and Kuyt are too slow in transition and don't possess the ball-control necessary for such a system. Carroll, Adam, and Spearing are mentally not as fast as Suarez so a lot the latter's good instinctive play breaks down. We don't have enough players with instinct... like Silva, Modric, etc... players with that sixth sense of what to do with the ball. Our players are all too methodical and laboured. This system could work well with players who possess more speed and playmaking ability, which might only be two or three signings in the summer. For all his faults, Dalglish is not as neanderthal as Sam Allardyce and co..
I agree with a lot of your points but this one is interesting. You said that you supported the signings and believe all(barring Adam) will come good. However in this point above you said those players(Adam, Downing, Carroll, Spearing, and Henderson) are not quick enough to work in the system Kenny wants. So if that's our system and they don't fit it, why do you think they'll come good? And better yet, why did Kenny buys these players if they don't fit the system? Whether these players performed well at their old clubs in irrelevant if you put them in a system that they are not suited for, which ones again makes me ask why they were bought in the first place?
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Good point Solar and no better example of this than Carroll you but Carroll to play to his strengths which essentially is the long ball game. A game we have never played so why buy him at all never mind pay £35m. It’s something I cannot fathom what were they thinking of? I can't help feeling it was blind panic with Torres leaving. If it was then that incident alone is a devastating indictment.
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Dalglish, living in the past with his Toshack, keegan (carroll, suarez)hopes.
No reason to by Carroll other than blind panic, at Torres leaving
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