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Get behind the manager support your club subject to given criteria.


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Well 1 trophy and in the hunt for another might be taken into consideration.

Plus Dalglish walked into a horrendous mess and then lost our best striker in years through no fault of his won.

Also the fact that he managed to get rid of Koncelsky, Poulsen, Jovanovic & Ngog is conveniently overlooked when judging him.

He has been hit and miss in the transfer market but what manager hasnt been.

He wasn't given a contract out of sentiment, he earned it and he should be given the chance to fulfill it.

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Originally Posted By: Shaggydog
Well 1 trophy and in the hunt for another might be taken into consideration.

Plus Dalglish walked into a horrendous mess and then lost our best striker in years through no fault of his won.

Also the fact that he managed to get rid of Koncelsky, Poulsen, Jovanovic & Ngog is conveniently overlooked when judging him.

He has been hit and miss in the transfer market but what manager hasnt been.

He wasn't given a contract out of sentiment, he earned it and he should be given the chance to fulfill it.
Dalglish never earned it, he was given the job purely and simply because of who he was, you tell me any other manager who can walk into a top 6 job after being out of the game over 10 years. You say Dalglish walked into a horrendous mess, well Hicks and Hicks and Gillette had already left, Torres was about to be sold and the other person who rocked the boat Mascherano had left earlier in the season, Dalglish wakled into a settled Club, full backing from the fans and a shed load of money, he also never had any expectation or pressure games because we had already written off 4th place, your diluding yourself thinking Dalglish had a hard job when he took over or that he earned his contract, ludicrous.

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No his transfer dealings have not been the normal hit and miss they have been a catastrophe.


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Northliverpool I think you will find he was given the job because he took us from the bottom half of the table to an outside chance of the top four.
You conveniently ignore the horrendous squad he was left with but admit that Torres was about to leave. Then you follow that up with saying he walked into a settled club.

I'm not delusional I look at the facts. You wont listen to my opinion as you dont listen to anyone's opinion but your own. But maybe this guy might convince you.

John W Henry, the principal owner of Liverpool Football Club

[i][b]"Kenny is a legendary Liverpool figure both as a supremely gifted footballer and successful manager. Since returning in January he has shown extraordinary leadership and the ability to bring the best out of so many people associated with the club.[/i]
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[i][b][i][b]"It was obvious to us very early on that the atmosphere surrounding the club had been transformed by his presence. No one else could have produced such a response. Therefore, I'm delighted we have agreed to a new contract. We didn't need nor want to look elsewhere for the right man to manage the team.[/[/i]i]
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[b]"Working closely with him, we've seen first-hand his love for the club and his determination to do whatever is necessary to produce a winning side again. He has a unique relationship with our supporters and embodies everything that is special about the Liverpool way of doing things.
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[i][b]"Liverpool enjoys a global standing within the sport, but having Kenny in the dug-out will help us in our efforts to bring the best available talent to the club as we continue to move the club forward.
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no experiments or "up and coming coach" if Kenny is to be replaced, it has to be someone with league successes record with multiple clubs.

Capello: Milan, Roma, RM(twice)
Murinho: Porto, Chelsea, Inter
VanGaal: Ajax, Barca, ByernM, also great in developing talent.

the only one i like outside of this group are O'Neil because he can get his team one many winning runs in the league, can get more out of the players we already have.

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Originally Posted By: 12th man speaker
I think you are judging the Liverpool job from the 70's or 80s when it was one of the top jobs and if you think managers dont take any notice of how previous managers were treated you are sorely mistaken, do you honestly think whoever contemplates taking over at Chelsea wont think about how Ancelotti or AVB was treated, ofcorse they will. I think you are forgeting how bad Roy Hodgson was treated by out unforgiving fan base simply because he was'nt King Kenny, two games in and they were shouting for his head and we all remember the "Hodgson for England " chants against Blackpool.


Hodgson was the wrong person at the wrong time, I still don't rate him as a manager, he can do well at a small club with low expectations but taht's about it.

As for the crap about managers think twice before going to Chelsea, that's crap I bet there's a host of managers hoping they get offered the job, the 5 million + wage is going to be an incentive as well as knowing if you do get sacked you've got an extra few million in the bank.

How can you say the Liverpool job is not as high profile and as appealing as in the 70's & 80's - are you serious???

We are still one of the biggest clubs in Europe and got screwed by a couple of yanks and are now in transition, Liverpool will always be an attractive job for any manager due to the history & fan base.

Whether Kenny stays or goes in the summer, we have European football, another trophy in the cabinet and will only inprove next season after the players have gelled a bit more.

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Originally Posted By: YNWA1892
Originally Posted By: 12th man speaker
I think you are judging the Liverpool job from the 70's or 80s when it was one of the top jobs and if you think managers dont take any notice of how previous managers were treated you are sorely mistaken, do you honestly think whoever contemplates taking over at Chelsea wont think about how Ancelotti or AVB was treated, ofcorse they will. I think you are forgeting how bad Roy Hodgson was treated by out unforgiving fan base simply because he was'nt King Kenny, two games in and they were shouting for his head and we all remember the "Hodgson for England " chants against Blackpool.


Hodgson was the wrong person at the wrong time, I still don't rate him as a manager, he can do well at a small club with low expectations but taht's about it.

As for the crap about managers think twice before going to Chelsea, that's crap I bet there's a host of managers hoping they get offered the job, the 5 million + wage is going to be an incentive as well as knowing if you do get sacked you've got an extra few million in the bank.

How can you say the Liverpool job is not as high profile and as appealing as in the 70's & 80's - are you serious???

We are still one of the biggest clubs in Europe and got screwed by a couple of yanks and are now in transition, Liverpool will always be an attractive job for any manager due to the history & fan base.

Whether Kenny stays or goes in the summer, we have European football, another trophy in the cabinet and will only inprove next season after the players have gelled a bit more.


I'm not so sure, here's why:

-Most of kenny's signings are british so there is no language or cultural differences to settle in to.
-Most of them already had a few good few years of premier league experience so they are used to the pace and physicality of the league.
-Gerrard will be a year older and already seems to be on the decline
-Downing is already in his 'peak' years so won't be improving
-Henderson.......well, regardless of his position he just doesn't seem to want to play football. I've no idea whether he's good or bad so I'm not sure than extra year will make any difference
-Carroll is, and always has been an very limited player that we paid about 10x the going rate for. With an extra year under his belt he might start to look like a £6m player but that's not what we need
-Carragher will be playing less and less which is a bit of a relief after the last 18 months of his 'performances'


To say they will be better next year is clutching at straws, in my opinion. The likelihood is that they will stay the same or deteriorate due to age/injuries.

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Originally Posted By: CarheeX
Originally Posted By: YNWA1892
Originally Posted By: 12th man speaker
I think you are judging the Liverpool job from the 70's or 80s when it was one of the top jobs and if you think managers dont take any notice of how previous managers were treated you are sorely mistaken, do you honestly think whoever contemplates taking over at Chelsea wont think about how Ancelotti or AVB was treated, ofcorse they will. I think you are forgeting how bad Roy Hodgson was treated by out unforgiving fan base simply because he was'nt King Kenny, two games in and they were shouting for his head and we all remember the "Hodgson for England " chants against Blackpool.


Hodgson was the wrong person at the wrong time, I still don't rate him as a manager, he can do well at a small club with low expectations but taht's about it.

As for the crap about managers think twice before going to Chelsea, that's crap I bet there's a host of managers hoping they get offered the job, the 5 million + wage is going to be an incentive as well as knowing if you do get sacked you've got an extra few million in the bank.

How can you say the Liverpool job is not as high profile and as appealing as in the 70's & 80's - are you serious???

We are still one of the biggest clubs in Europe and got screwed by a couple of yanks and are now in transition, Liverpool will always be an attractive job for any manager due to the history & fan base.

Whether Kenny stays or goes in the summer, we have European football, another trophy in the cabinet and will only inprove next season after the players have gelled a bit more.


I'm not so sure, here's why:

-Most of kenny's signings are british so there is no language or cultural differences to settle in to.
-Most of them already had a few good few years of premier league experience so they are used to the pace and physicality of the league.
-Gerrard will be a year older and already seems to be on the decline
-Downing is already in his 'peak' years so won't be improving
-Henderson.......well, regardless of his position he just doesn't seem to want to play football. I've no idea whether he's good or bad so I'm not sure than extra year will make any difference
-Carroll is, and always has been an very limited player that we paid about 10x the going rate for. With an extra year under his belt he might start to look like a £6m player but that's not what we need
-Carragher will be playing less and less which is a bit of a relief after the last 18 months of his 'performances'


To say they will be better next year is clutching at straws, in my opinion. The likelihood is that they will stay the same or deteriorate due to age/injuries.


My exact point and problem with you. It goes around in circles every time you comment. I await to see a post of yours, that actually agrees with somebody else on here.

It's always negative, always criticizing and 9 times out of 10, always water-like.

You claim you are a Liverpool supporter, yet I don't see any support from you. Quick to praise Man United and what Fergies done for them in one thread, yet every word you give about Liverpool....the club you say you "support" is negative and doom and gloom.....which would justify why I told you to go and support another team that fulfills your selfish wants and needs.

EVERY football club has it's d*ckheads, and you, with your attitude on here, appear to be just one of ours.

Every post you make falls under the same category, in order to provoke the same reaction, and people should raise questions about that.

Why not look at some of the good and positive things for once and talk about those, in balance with the negatives you spout?

Your opinion may just be respected by others, if you do.

Haven't you honestly got one good thing to say about "your club"?

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