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that was a good read acari.

It's about time we start looking at the situation at present and like already mentioned this "feel it in the air" mentality, needs to go!

We only know in reality, in the now. Not what could, "should" and will happen in the near or distant future.

The only thing we can say about that, is that it looks brighter than it was before. It will be even brighter if the manager starts pushing through some of the genuine talent in the youth and reserve teams. It's about time some of these players got a chance and the same amount of die-hard support that is being put into Henderson and Adam for instance....who seemingly can't do f*ck all wrong in the eyes of Kenny.

At the moment we are playing well, but not sticking the round thing into the 3 point bag. Meaning draws and silly losses "that we didn't deserve"

Goals and goal saves are the most important things in football, we all know it. AT the moment we're only doing one of those things, which ultimately means we don't deserve to be where we "should" be.

...and that is what is happening now, which is the only thing that matters.

In the summer we need to be looking at quality players, that we could do with now, at this very minute.

A prolific goalscorer and a creative attacking midfielder/or winger of the same mold (who will chip in with goals and assists consistently) who plays in space and in between the lines, linking midfield to attack.

We can all name names, as if its some football manager mystic meg game. If we look at it realistically, and what we need now.

For me the striker is Huntelaar, proven goalscoring record in Holland, Spain, Germany and Internationally.....and played alongside our nutter Suarez at Ajax very well.

As for the attacking midfielder, it depends just how much we mean business. Because it's plain and simple. It's Hazard.

2 players who at this minute, if they were in our team, we'd be at least 4th.

I've probably confused the f*ck out of you with this post. But I'm looking at realistic players we could do with now, not the usual "draft your list of players" in the summer technique.

but surely hazard isn't a realistic player we could get? huntelaar maybe. but hazard? no chance.

Personally I think it is a realistic target, we are an option, maybe not the ultimate best one (with no CL) from a players point of view, but the fact that they have a player on loan from us. Especially Joe Cole and especially allowing him to go and play in France, which in all honesty is a dire league nowadays, says to me that there is a relationship, friendly or just purely business.

However, I don't like the fact that he (Hazard) keeps coming out in the media, naming the new team he wants to play for every week.

Personally I think he'll be of to Madrid, Zidane has some power there and he bangs his drum, whenever Hazard is mentioned.

If, lets say he goes to Man City.

That opens up a nice door for another player I wouldn't mind at our club at all.

Just out of curiosity, would you say Cavani is a realistic target for us to get?

Cavani:

I doubt we could afford him, and I doubt dalglish would be interested due to his nationality. However, IF kenny was interested and IF fsg decided kenny could be trusted with their money after recent fiascos, why on earth would he come to LFC?? surely any top player worth their salt wants to be competing for league titles and champions league wins don't they? The likes of cavani won't be too tempted by playing in front of adam, henderson and downing in an attempt to defend the carling cup (which he will never even of heard of!)

There's also the small matter of getting value for money and we have shot ourselves in the foot big time.....Napoli will look at Andy Carroll's £35m fee and base Cavani's valuation on that......so unless FSG are going to trust kenny with £200m to spend on one player we can kiss goodbye to the ludicrous cavani suggestions. Sorry.

Well you see this is where our opinions divide. Because I do think this is a realistic target (and I'll explain why), whether achievable or not, is another matter entirely.

Napoli are f*ckers with this sort of thing.....they've somehow managed to keep Lavezzi, Cavani and Hamsik all this time, you mean to tell me that not one other club in Europe has sniffed around these players?

Impossible if you ask me. They're the Valencia of Serie A.

The reason why I say it's realistic, is that we are looking at Uruguayan players, we already have 2. Cavani is good friends with Suarez, from the same area of Uruguay, Salto.

That's why I think it's a realistic option, I think he would want to come to us, regardless of this no Champions League situation.

But Napoli are a different beast entirely and I think it will have to take these players to come out and publicly say they want to leave.....even then Napoli and the mafia would probably get them shot before they even played at another club.....after taking the millions for them, of course.

I would be looking at Huntelaar, this is what we need now. A poacher. People say that he is slow, does that really matter? If you work hard, link up well with Suarez and happen to be in the right place at the right time in the box and putting away the ball in the back of the net 9/10 chances?

I know I mentioned Hazard before, but it smells of trouble to me. He is coming out every week "I want to play for Tottenham.....no I want to play for Madrid now.....no I want to play in Serie A now...."

This isn't the player for us.

Xherdan Shaqiri from FC Basle is the answer!

I'd be happy with Huntelaar and Shaqiri in the summer, even if we don't sign any more players than just those 2.

It's pivotal we look at what we need now, not what "could come good" 2 years from now.

I disagree with everything but the bold highlighted bit. Buying 'potential' is simply gambling when you are paying more for the player than you could ever hope to sell them for. Plus, with an ageing squad like our own, we will inevitably decline until the potential materialises into 'actual' talent.

My points still stand regarding kenny's preference for british players and I'm not sure that we could play the nationality card, not when he already has one or 2 current team mates from uruguay. I just don't think that a player would make a decision in that way. It will play out as follows in my opinion:

1) He would need a reason to leave Napoli
2) We would need the funds to buy a player of his quality
3) FSG would need evidence that our manager could be trusted with the money
4) We need to be able to offer him something (more money, league title challenge, CL football...?) that any other interested parties cannot offer

Too much needs to fall in to place. IF he wanted to leave, IF his club were preapred to sell, IF fsg felt they could trust kenny and IF fsg could afford the fee then we'd be in with a shout. However, there would be no shortage of top clubs wanting to sign him that could A) outbid us, B) offer more wages and C) give him better prospects. We'd better pray that he's a lifelong die-hard Red or our chances are virtually zero!

Not sure if Bayern Munich will be happy with that

Pre-contract?

I didn't know that.

10 million euro's?

What are we playing at?

I'm gonna put a name out there, I might get slaughtered, in fact I probably will. Taarabt?

Taarabt could be a really good player if he works hard enough,his attitude stinks as well as his fitness level plus he is pining for a move to money bags PSG.