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Good post Stanley! I have to say I agree with nearly all of it. However, I live in the U.S. and I can tell you guys RedSox fans are not concerned about limited funds for players because of Liverpool. Heck, a lot of RedSox fans don't even know Henry bought Liverpool.

stan you have kinda guessed with a 25 million outlay. i have absolutely no idea how much will be released in the summer. i also dont know who we will sell in the summer either, its all open to option. tbh i think we will see two or three players come in and one go out. i think carroll is gone, hendo will be held as will adam (unfortunately). downing will also be here as bellers may not even make it through next season if the injury picks up.

as for players coming in, who knows. a striker anyway, maybe 2. a winger is coming i would say and maybe a midfield player if we only get one striker.

flames you honestly think carroll is gone, that would be a very big admission of a mistake by kenny and comolli

didnt work out. happens all the time to big clubs.

i will have a crack.

Faz/Stanley your views are well thought out neither slagging or patronising other posters which makes a change from a few on here. The problem is based on the same evidence people see different things, which for me indicates more of a grey scenario rather than black/white. So many factors shape our views.

The money spent this year was spent in the right areas but so far has only been succesful in 50% of the purchases. After the end to last season where Kenny lifted the club massively I thought with the new signings that we would be really in the mix for the majority of the season. It has not materialised but was I being realistic to expect the surge to continue? probably not. After several years of decline due to bad owners and Rafa losing the plot(i am a fan by the way) the way back is steeper than I expected. Maybe the emerging City and Spurs have made this harder.

However their is a clear philospohy at the club, the structure top to bottom is without ego and council is kept privately. Commercially we are in a far better place than ever before. The players are enjoying working in this enviroment, players who did want to be there have gone(14 in all).The football has been good and back to a more pass/move style which is synomonous with the club.
When a star player is injured(Owen, Torres, Gerrad) we no longer cry and whinge but get on with it - management and fans alike. The big picture suggests we are doing ok/good but the scale of our ascent rests firmly with the development of new players. We all wanted to buy young and develop, therefore let them develop is my view.

It will be bumpy but will have peaks(carling cup -maybe FA Cup) and troughs (some home results - Swansea, Blackburn were particulary tough. The turmoil unfolding at Spurs(potentially), Chelsea, Arsenal will open the door (in my view) for us to comfortably slip into the top 3.

Again just a view

CP1972 thank you for that. It could work out that way sometimes teams click and it all goes into place and sometimes when you don't expect it. I remember the start of the season under Roy Evans after Souness and I could not believe the team it was like rocket fuel. I can see Spurs falling away especially if Harry goes but not Chelsea or Arsenal they have too much resouces. As you identified there is a grey middle ground and it all depends how you want to see it. I know I sound like a broken record on this but there is another factor. If Henry announced what he is going to do with the club and it was positive I am sure that would lift the whole club, fans and team. Why its never happened I don't know.

I can see spurs def falling away, once redknapp and modric leave them, adebyeo won't stay either.

I am still also waiting to hear on the ground issue, but we seem to moving forward with the shirt deal and the way we are increasing our brand in other countries (like india)

our youth is also progressing nicely, so not all doom and gloom, I just don't think Kenny is then man to lead us next season but that is a personal view.

I suspect like me you live locally and certainly there is some kind of stand off between club and council which is delaying alot of things. The council has a long standing obligation to develop Anfield/Everton area which it had budgeted that the clubs would pay significantly towards hence the block on Everton moving to Kings dock then Kirby blocked. Also this constant lobbying for a shared stadium even though the economics clearly rule Everton out due to lack of finance.
The club therefore are playing a waiting game, the council have to move first otherwise they are in breach of what was promised.
Just to give those not local an idea of what is required - LFC have to pay for new housing and a rail link into Central. The latter being to facilitate the xtra fans a new stadium would attract. What nonsense, did Arsenal do up highbury area? no they benefitted from the development of the ground instead.

It will run for another year in my view, after Liverpool Council ultimatum on the plans. After this they have to run the regeneration themselves. LFC will follow their lead, but without the daft cost burden

who would buy carroll?

I have a feeling Hendo might be sent on loan or something. Caroll might move back to Newcastle, however for for half of what we paid.