CareX is right partially. You can't have one without the other. For example if all we do is win the Carling Cup or even FA cup that cannot be sucess for a club of Liverpool'stature. But the cups do have a value it adds to our trophy count and may lead to greater things and act as a springboard. But the target must be to play at the highest level so its not a choice between the domestic cups and champions league it has to be both.
That is so obvious I cannot see how anyone could disagree.
ok fair point maybe its not the success we crave the league , but i can tell you 10 of my group going plus from others i have spoke to watford on saturday night will turn into a district of the city of liverpool for the night , and in the end isnt that what being a match going red is all about ? ok if its call down to what is on the bottom of a balance sheet and sitting in front of a television with you liverpool shirt on on tuesdays and weds night waiting for the CL then as i have though for a long time now our game and club is dead if cup finals and cup wins are not important any more .
Stan you have developed a very 
sense of humour this week. 
fan van gogh this just proves it