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Yeah, COMPLETE outsiders, yet we did it - but let's be honest - the miracle that was 2005 and in particular Istanbul is a complete once in a lifetime thing, and not something likely to magically happen again once we qualify for the CL (not that it's impossible or anything). We finished 5th in the league that season and only qualified the following year through the fact that we were reigning champions.

If you're asking which I'd rather win between the Carling Cup FA Cup and Champions League then the answer is obvious - the Champions League. I'm sure faz and anybody else for that matter would say the exact same thing. The problem is we're not talking about that, we're talking about the fact that we are actually IN a cup final. Yet we have people saying it's meaningless and one individual saying he'd actually rather us not be in it at all, which is lunacy.

For the record, at the start of the season I said thatif it came to a straight choice between a trophy and 4th place this season, I'd be torn, but would pick 4th, for the fact that I think it's more crucial to the path the club is going to take for the next few years. I also said that there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why we can't get 4th AND win a trophy, and what's happened this season still reinforces that for me. We're 90 minutes away from accomplishing one aim, and after that we have another 13 league games to accomplish the other one. Even still though, qualification doesn't equal winning it.

Outstanding piece of observation. What the majority of people can't get to grips with is that Liverpool Football Club is a business that needs to make as much money (not necessarily trophies) as possible in order to survive, compete and move forward. Our success will not be determined by domestic cup wins. They ARE the wooden spoon of football and provide a short term fix to some fans who don't have an eye on the bigger picture.
The only way this will happen is via champions league qualification, due to the potential revenue.
As far as the owners are concerned, simply qualifying for the CL is (financially) a much more important target than winning the carling cup. If I was the club owner I would be much happier qualifying for the CL than winning the fa and league cups - even getting knocked out of the group stages would bring in more money than the fa/league cups combined. PLUS once we are in the CL we can attract the type of players that are necessary to win it and subsequently attract the calibre of players that are required to win the premiership.

To summarise (I wish this wasn't necessary....):

-Qualifying for the CL will help us to grow, compete at the highest level, and attract the calibre of players that have a much better chance of winning the premiership than the hendersons, carrolls, adams and downings of the world.
-Winning the carling up will simply mean we can claim that we've won the carling cup. It won't help us to attract better players and the financial reward is negligible.

Ah yeah, more sarcasm, well done. Did you bother to read the f*cking rest of the last paragraph of my post, rather than just the last line that your highlighted for the purpose of your throw-away comment?

Possibly. You post so much crap though that it's a chore to wade through it all sometimes. Remind me of your salient point?

I do? Nice. Tell ya what, i'll give you a chance to make yourself look like a little bit less of a c*nt here and actually ask you to tell me which part of what I said you actually class as "talking crap". Then I'll address that.

Go ahead there, pal...

No point our we'll be here all day going round in circles. We have different opinions on footballing issues so we'll have different opinions on what each other determine as crap. Lest we forget, I believe twas yourself that began the insults when you accused me of talking "utter garbage" so there is no need for your high horse attitude on this occassion. In the words of Sepp Blatter......surely a firm handshake can resolve our differences?

No point our we'll be here all day going round in circles. We have different opinions on footballing issues so we'll have different opinions on what each other determine as crap. Lest we forget, I believe twas yourself that began the insults when you accused me of talking "utter garbage" so there is no need for your high horse attitude on this occassion. In the words of Sepp Blatter......surely a firm handshake can resolve our differences?

I think there's every right. There's also every right for me to be "on my high horse" too, as my comment that you were talking complete and utter garbage was justified. That wasn't a personal attack on you, and it wasn't me saying that everything you say is complete and utter garbage, because I don't believe that to be the case. The post I referred to as garbage, was garbage, and I believe I proved that it was. You on the other hand, chose not to address that point - perhaps an admission that I had raised a valid point and you just didn't like it and were afraid to admit it?

Some points I debate, other I don't - maybe I just don't have as much spare time as some people? Once an argument has been done to death I tend to leave it - I've made my opinions very clear and so have you. If I walk away it's not because I secretly think you've proved me wrong!!

PS - How can you claim that calling me a "c*nt" is not a personal attack???