KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum Problems storing up for Kenny

I know this thread will inevitably polarise into Kenny out vs. defenders of Kenny.

My own position is I did not think it was the right thing to do to offer him a three year contract however once we did so then we need to see it through.

Unless we implode I would like to see him given another season providing we show improvement in the league towards the end of the season.

However external events are starting to shape things. Trying to keep a balance to this argument but I feel these events are worth taking a closer look at. See attached article below in the mail which gives you an indication of the flavour of the press at the moment all of the papers are running similar themes. Look at this not through the eyes of a fan but through the eyes of the owners. There are three issues

1 – I am sure they will not have been impressed by the return on the transfer funds.
2 – Although we have had some success in the cups the league position and champions league is inevitably the owner’s main ambitions. The Carling Cup might impress the fans but its hardly likely to generate much interest in sponsors and hence Henry’s interest.
3 – The handling of the Suarez / Evra issue particularly this weekend where it appears the owners had to step in. The apology came mid afternoon here morning in North America.

By the way Dalglish handled it he is associated with Suarez and hence might be viewed as part of the problem. One of these issues could be dealt with but all three well who knows? I wonder if the owners might think about getting rid of Dalglish and Suarez to cleanse the situation. What might be the tipping point is the performance in the league up to May if it appears no real progress is being made and Downing / Carroll etc continue to flop then I wonder?

I like Kenny and I don’t want to give him more problems but if he stays he must improve his interview technique he does come across as very condescending.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2100176/Kenny-Dalglish-apology-late.html

It could very well happen,we don't really know how FSG will look upon these incedents,we know they have no hesitation in replacing managers a-la Hodgson.

If a big enough offer comes in and a replacement can be found,then they would not hesitate to sell Suarez,as for a potential change of manager,well sacking a manager is not the answer,who to replace him with is.

The mail is a sh1theap by the way.

I agree sacking Kenny and ending up with a poor manager we could end up in a worse mess. But (if) they made transatlantic phone calls it can't have put them in the best of moods nor does it reflect well on Ian Ayre either who was slow to take charge of the situation.

I was disappointed by the silence from FSG and Ayre throughout this occurence,Ayre seems to very good at the commercial side of things,cheif exec/MD is a very different story.

I am now happy fenway have now stepped in and for me at last started to show leadership , and i have not doubt in my opinion that suarez and dalglish will be gone cups or 4th place or not and its nothing to do with race it to do with the shoddy way it has been handled and fenway are spot on NO-ONE IS BIGGER THAN THE CLUB , and i hope this is the sign of real leadership and a great future .

You're right about needing to look at it through the owners eyes. Some fans may well be excited about a league cup final against a championship side; and if that's their criteria for a successful season then good luck to them. FSG on the other hand are a business that needs to make money to survive following a huge initial investment for the takeover followed by further massive squad investment which looks to be very poorly spent with next to no chance of providing a return. The only way they will make the most of LFC is by....:

1) capitalising on our image and marketability - sadly this is rapidly going down the pan for a number of reasons
2) finishing high enough in the league to qualify for the lucrative champions league

As it stands, removing the manager would probably help with both of the above and must therefore be something that the owners must be seriously contemplating. Make no mistake, their decisions will not determined by 1 or 2 poxy cup wins, even if it does make a few supporters happy.

I said last week that I felt Kenny needed to establish continuity at the managerial level within the club, and I really don't think he's done that in the year he's been with the club (presumably because it's furthest from his mind right now). It probably could not be done in such a short time anyway.

But now he and Suarez have let the club, the fans, the owners, and the sponsors down. These two gentlemen suddenly have a lot to prove. Before, I felt that 6th and a cup fell in that grey area where Kenny had neither really failed nor achieved, but after this weekend's debacle I reckon "4th or bust" will be enforced.

Frankly, unless Suarez proves himself to be an asset to the club rather than the liability he is right now he may be on his bike as well. It's not like he's scoring a goal per home game, and one every other away game, or at least weighing in with assists now, is he? Someone on another thread mentioned Cantona, Rooney and so on, as examples of people who stepped on toes throughout their careers but weren't sold for disgracing themselves or their club, but I promise you that was because they delivered where it mattered - on the pitch.

Faz, do you hope Suarez and Dalglish are gone? Would you prefer they be sacked immediately or at the end of the season?

Yes shoddy leadership! they all left Kenny to stand alone and deal with it all whilst lording it up somewhere else in the world they should have been here helping,directing the search for a solution,good leadership should start with the owners, Kenny has made mistakes but it was a heavy burden to hold up on his own,he may well go along with suarez but all are to blame here and the owners should come out and say so.Where is their apology to us fans for doing nothing to help? Maybe this suited them down to the ground? a reason to go in for another manager, be careful what we wish for, lets see who we can get in, Steve Bruce,alan Curbishley, or shall we try for Niel Warnock? oh yes forgot Murinho will do it.