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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Faz no one is in any doubt the man is an idiot. But Flames has a point with the club issue. If some lone idiot turns up at the ground the club can only act retrospectively. The club has done all it can in this case. Other than have a steward to each fan there is little the club can do and it should not reflect on the club.
Stanley whats the liklihood that he's not going to be a Liverpool fan tho, remote to say the least, he's sitting in the home end and has gone out of his way to spend 50 quid on a ticket he would'nt go out of his way that much in my opinion unless he was a Liverpool fan. Every team has scum fans and we have more than most unfortunately we just have to accept it instead of trying to make excuses.

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I am not saying he is not a Liverpool fan in fact its does not matter what fan he is or whether his hobbies are bungee jumping or collecting stamps he has broken the law and the rules of the stadium and that’s it. But on the wider issue the FA and the race zelots are creating a monster here. Read what went on at Loftus Road yesterday this whole thing is now completely out of control. If this continues we are going to need a lot more police and stewards at grounds and for what? There is no major race issue at grounds anymore you know you go to Anfield I have witnessed nothing of that nature contrast to what we saw regularly in the 1970’s / 80's. So now we start to manufacture racism where none exists or if it does get it ridiculously out of proportion so it fosters a new form of racism. Totally crazy.


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Originally Posted By: northliverpool
[quote=Stanley Park]. Every team has scum fans and we have more than most unfortunately we just have to accept it instead of trying to make excuses.


i trust we are all seeing the light now.?


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
I am not saying he is not a Liverpool fan in fact its does not matter what fan he is or whether his hobbies are bungee jumping or collecting stamps he has broken the law and the rules of the stadium and that’s it. But on the wider issue the FA and the race zelots are creating a monster here. Read what went on at Loftus Road yesterday this whole thing is now completely out of control. If this continues we are going to need a lot more police and stewards at grounds and for what? There is no major race issue at grounds anymore you know you go to Anfield I have witnessed nothing of that nature contrast to what we saw regularly in the 1970’s / 80's. So now we start to manufacture racism where none exists or if it does get it ridiculously out of proportion so it fosters a new form of racism. Totally crazy.
This all started Stanley from a complete idiot player who is still on our books, it snowballed when a fool of a manager publicaly got involved and now we have mindless fans against Oldham and United getting involved. This could all of been stopped at the very start by the Club making an example of the perpetrator they then still had a chance by condeming the person for shaming us in public in a television interview after the Wigan game but for only there own reasons decided not to. So Stanley how do you think the proper Liverpool Football Club of old with Sir Bob and Shanks e.t.c. would of dealt with the player after he dragged the Clubs name through the mud given how they treated the likes of your Ray Kennedy and Jimmy Case's in those days who got themselves into spots of bother but not on this scale.

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This all started Stanley from a complete idiot player who is still on our books, it snowballed when a fool of a manager publicaly got involved and now we have mindless fans against Oldham and United getting involved.


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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
I am not saying he is not a Liverpool fan in fact its does not matter what fan he is or whether his hobbies are bungee jumping or collecting stamps he has broken the law and the rules of the stadium and that’s it. But on the wider issue the FA and the race zelots are creating a monster here. Read what went on at Loftus Road yesterday this whole thing is now completely out of control. If this continues we are going to need a lot more police and stewards at grounds and for what? There is no major race issue at grounds anymore you know you go to Anfield I have witnessed nothing of that nature contrast to what we saw regularly in the 1970’s / 80's. So now we start to manufacture racism where none exists or if it does get it ridiculously out of proportion so it fosters a new form of racism. Totally crazy.
This all started Stanley from a complete idiot player who is still on our books, it snowballed when a fool of a manager publicaly got involved and now we have mindless fans against Oldham and United getting involved. This could all of been stopped at the very start by the Club making an example of the perpetrator they then still had a chance by condeming the person for shaming us in public in a television interview after the Wigan game but for only there own reasons decided not to. So Stanley how do you think the proper Liverpool Football Club of old with Sir Bob and Shanks e.t.c. would of dealt with the player after he dragged the Clubs name through the mud given how they treated the likes of your Ray Kennedy and Jimmy Case's in those days who got themselves into spots of bother but not on this scale.

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
I am not saying he is not a Liverpool fan in fact its does not matter what fan he is or whether his hobbies are bungee jumping or collecting stamps he has broken the law and the rules of the stadium and that’s it. But on the wider issue the FA and the race zelots are creating a monster here. Read what went on at Loftus Road yesterday this whole thing is now completely out of control. If this continues we are going to need a lot more police and stewards at grounds and for what? There is no major race issue at grounds anymore you know you go to Anfield I have witnessed nothing of that nature contrast to what we saw regularly in the 1970’s / 80's. So now we start to manufacture racism where none exists or if it does get it ridiculously out of proportion so it fosters a new form of racism. Totally crazy.
This all started Stanley from a complete idiot player who is still on our books, it snowballed when a fool of a manager publicaly got involved and now we have mindless fans against Oldham and United getting involved. This could all of been stopped at the very start by the Club making an example of the perpetrator they then still had a chance by condeming the person for shaming us in public in a television interview after the Wigan game but for only there own reasons decided not to. So Stanley how do you think the proper Liverpool Football Club of old with Sir Bob and Shanks e.t.c. would of dealt with the player after he dragged the Clubs name through the mud given how they treated the likes of your Ray Kennedy and Jimmy Case's in those days who got themselves into spots of bother but not on this scale.


I'm sorry but you're the complete idiot! Suarez was foolish and crossed a cultural divide - but there was no need for the singular FA treatment or the side-taking by the media. Evra was equally wrong and should not have been playing yesterday either. Dalglish and the club were right to back their player in the context that he was being publicly lynched. Your efforts to reduce this to a black and white issue - take out all the complexity and think on kindergarten terms - is both baffling and frankly, insulting. One can only conclude that you are a Manc or a Bluenose with no life other than to troll chat sites and message boards. How pathetic! Trying to tar the club with racism because of a couple of fans' actions is even more moronic. Don't you realise that we are under a microscope right now - and everything we do is recorded and blown out of proportion by a media baying for blood. I've been to many of the London, Yorkshire, and Midland club grounds and let me tell you - if you put them under the same sort of surveillance that we're currently under you would find these bigots every week. I admire the effort to stamp out racism and bigotry and support it in principle - but you have to ask yourself - is it really possible to force people not to be racists? The best tool for deflating racist angst is to ignore it. A club has every right to throw out a racist fan if they are caught demonstrating racism in their stadium - but you can't really stamp out the thing itself. It exists in peoples hearts and minds and no amount of 'big brother' surveillance is going to complete erase it. The support for Suarez is not a support for racism - it is a support for a foreign player scapegoated in an unprecedented way by an FA organisation that is not fair or even-handed in their treatments. I played in a semi-professional league with lots of south American players and I can tell you that they have far different cultural norms - not racist but just different. They often use colour phrases and epithets for terms of endearment. The black players in the league used to say things like "what you got whitie" or "white-boy" all the time. No one ever considered it anything but game-time banter - we all had the greatest respect for each other. Suarez had to be corrected in his verbiage but the way it was handled was criminal (literally). I'm proud of our manager and our club for seeing things in a complex manner and not capitulating to the stupid reductionist English Press and it's phony moralism. I just wish so-called 'fans' like you would pull your heads out of your @rses and stop embarrassing us further!


funny you should use the word lynch on this thread smile

Personally, My view is Suarez made an inappropriate comment and was punished. Apologise and move on. end of.

Instead, Dalglish naivley defends his player, tells his players to wear suarez t-shirts raises the entire profile of the incident
giving the press osmething to write about and incites a few numpteys to embarass the club further.

Dalgish can defend suarez but the way he excused his comments was naive and embarassing.

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As far as i am concerned Suarez made an inapropriate comment. The FA were keen to show they treat this type of incident seriously. Daliglish and Liverpool knowing this should have been looking at damage limitation, it's impossible to argue you're way out of this type of situation in the very PC world we live in.

Suarez and Dalglish dismissed this comment as a friendly term used elswhere totally disregarding the context his comment was used, which i felt was plain stupid.

I just felt whether harshly treated or not this was no the type of battle to be raising the profile of, hence my feeling of Dalglish being naive.

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Police have arrested a man in relation to incident yesterday:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/29012012/58/fa-cup-fan-arrested-alleged-monkey-gesture.html

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