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I refer you all back to Stans post. Post 4 page 1. Sums it all up very nicely, all wrapped up in a nutshell. 
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One interesting question is why Nasri winded down the car window.
If he wasn't up for the banter, then why open up for a discussion with total strangers?
He could easily just have "walked away" from it, which he finally did in his car! Good question. He should have just floored it and totally ignored these ded'eds. 
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Seriously, people have gone soft. I think a lot of people need to spend 5 years down a mine, or become a soldier or something if they think this is a big thing. This is nothing, and I'm seeing reactions like it's really wrong. It's nothing. A bit of banter.
If your wife and children are there, I agree it's not right. Because then it goes beyond banter and causes embarrassment or distress. But for some multi-millionaire footballer who works 20 hours a week (or less!), driving his porsche or whatever to get upset about something as trivial as this is a complete joke. Toughen up dude. When I go for a few beers, me and my friends trade worse insults than this, ffs i,ll take it your a soldier or a miner ya, but your right some people and i mean (SOME) people need to relax and have a break and have a kitkat for f...sake
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Sorry, but this 'banter' that you speak of, should be reserved towards people that you either know or come into contact with on a regular basis and that are 'up for it.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that, in fact positively encouraged to make life a bit more bearable and amusing, but the line has to be drawn somewhere, and that somewhere is towards total strangers, or would you be quite pleased and jolly if I came up to you at the traffic lights and started hurling abuse at you?
No. Thought not, and nor would I.
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before you say no thougt not, he is a footballer gattein paid god only knows how much money a year, and more importantly is a person i know (might not know him personaly but know him, i do because he is a footballer that i support and follow all my life) and i bet you if you asked him he wouyld brush it aside it,s not like he was assulted or something.....
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Sorry, but this 'banter' that you speak of, should be reserved towards people that you either know or come into contact with on a regular basis and that are 'up for it.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that, in fact positively encouraged to make life a bit more bearable and amusing, but the line has to be drawn somewhere, and that somewhere is towards total strangers, or would you be quite pleased and jolly if I came up to you at the traffic lights and started hurling abuse at you?
No. Thought not, and nor would I. If you hurled abuse (and lets be clear the abuse wasn't that bad) to me I'd assume you're a nutter and ignore you. No damage done. There are always crazies around. You can say he's minding his own business, and shouldn't be insulted, but he's minding his own business on the football pitch and he can get worse than that every game. You can't have it both ways, that it's ok in the stadium but otherwise not. Either it's not ok at all, or it is harmless banter. I'd like to see how many fans have never hurled any kind of abuse, even under their breath at another player or referee who is just minding his own business and doing his job. It's just banter. If you can't handle it, I think that's soft. Once again, thats not true. You have to look at these things in context. Thats why it might be ok in a stadium but not on the street. Its ok to punch someone in the face if you are in a boxing ring but not if you are on the street. In a stadium it is all part of cheering whilst on the street it is abuse. How much a player earns is irrelavant. By that logic, it would be wrong if he was earning only a few quid a month but ok if he is earning millions.
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Sorry, but this 'banter' that you speak of, should be reserved towards people that you either know or come into contact with on a regular basis and that are 'up for it.
Absolutely nothing wrong with that, in fact positively encouraged to make life a bit more bearable and amusing, but the line has to be drawn somewhere, and that somewhere is towards total strangers, or would you be quite pleased and jolly if I came up to you at the traffic lights and started hurling abuse at you?
No. Thought not, and nor would I. If you hurled abuse (and lets be clear the abuse wasn't that bad) to me I'd assume you're a nutter and ignore you. No damage done. There are always crazies around. You can say he's minding his own business, and shouldn't be insulted, but he's minding his own business on the football pitch and he can get worse than that every game. You can't have it both ways, that it's ok in the stadium but otherwise not. Either it's not ok at all, or it is harmless banter. I'd like to see how many fans have never hurled any kind of abuse, even under their breath at another player or referee who is just minding his own business and doing his job. It's just banter. If you can't handle it, I think that's soft. Once again, thats not true. You have to look at these things in context. Thats why it might be ok in a stadium but not on the street. Its ok to punch someone in the face if you are in a boxing ring but not if you are on the street. In a stadium it is all part of cheering whilst on the street it is abuse. How much a player earns is irrelavant. By that logic, it would be wrong if he was earning only a few quid a month but ok if he is earning millions. I understand what your saying but if you ask me a lot of people on here are taking things out of(as you say context), are you telling me that nasri was abused and i mean really abused or was it not someone that came apon a footballer and started slagging him (not racially abusing or anything like that) just slagging him ....
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What is the difference if you hurl insults at someone based on the color of their skin or their personality? I dont see a difference, they are 2 traits that constitute what that person is. So if its not ok to insult them on a racial basis why should it be ok to insult them on any other basis?
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Actually it's worse in the stadium in some ways. This is a few guys in a car. Imagine 10,000 fans slaggin you off about your missus or something,a nd it being shown on tv to millions. Much worse. And much worse things are said than calling someone an asshole.
It's not that "that's not true", it's that you choose to believe it's ok in the stadium and not outside. That's fine as an opinion, if it helps you feel guilt-free, but it doesn't really make any sense. And it's a bad analogy. In boxing the two sporting competitors are in the ring agreeing to fight. If a fan threw a punch ata boxer no matter where it takes place, it's wrong. I think you misunderstood my point, perhaps i didnt express myself correctly. My point is that when a player is in the stadium, playing a match he is doing his job, and expects that opposing fans might insult him. It is part of the job, but everyone, independant of their job has a point where they need their privacy and they leave teir public persona behind. For me, when Nasri is in his car, on his way home after a game, it is his private time when he shouldnt have to deal with someone insulting him without reason. In the stadium, it is part of his calling to handle it, and as we have seen before, if they dont thez get punished, just like Suarey did for his middle finger gesture or Cantona before or so on. However once outside the stadium and out of team colours, he shouldnt have to deal with that and I certainly wouldnt have faulted him had he smashed those guys in the face.
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What is the difference if you hurl insults at someone based on the color of their skin or their personality? I dont see a difference, they are 2 traits that constitute what that person is. So if its not ok to insult them on a racial basis why should it be ok to insult them on any other basis? thats were your WRONG It was a of bit of banter, i could see myslef giving nasri a bit stick about arsenal and so and so but i would,nt racially abuse him, it was two people driving home and came apon a footballer and got the shock of their live and gave him a bit of stick thats all...
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