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I heard some moron sticking up for our atrocious finishing by saying, 'yeah, but we've hit the woodwork more than any other team'. Sorry, but hitting the woodwork is poor finishing and has nothing to do with luck. 4 goals behind blackburn now with a £70m strikeforce - I fear that Kenny will be having an uncomfortbale ocnversation with his bosses pretty soon and rightly so.
It's not just our finishing that's the only problem though - the whole team (apart from suarez) look disinteresetd in trying to score. During the 3 corners last night we had just 3 men in the box. Twice during attacks, Enrique was our furthest man forward with no sign of support whatsoever. I'm gutted at how badly kenny has fared in the transfer marekt and how the team are playing. Who in their right mind would stump up £70-75m for carroll, downing and henderson??? (They're probably worth £20m combined). Just think of the players we could have got for that money!
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we have, we ARE good enough for top 4. top 6 yes not top 4 mate , a cup team maybe not top 4 miles off it . There was a discussion about Spurs before, and I was looking at our team versus theirs, and who I'd pick if it was a best XI from both teams. Basically I'd rather have our entire back 4 and goalie, I'd rather have Suarez, and I'd rather have Gerrard than anyone they have (lucas is also a possible). So basically if everyone's fit, i'd rather have 7 out of 11 of our team than theirs. Went through the Arsenal team and also still found I'd rather have the majority of the 11 form Liverpool. Not by much in either case, but still. If I compared with Man City, I'd rather have maybe one or two liverpool players, but not more. We're top 4 quality or thereabouts. A good manager should be able to get us there. You speak a lot of truth. When you look at ferguson's squad it's nigh on impossible to see how they are still in contention and still winning things with ease. This won't go down well, but it's the sad truth....kenny isn't fit to lace fergie's managerial boots. Last year I was saying that kenny is suspect in the transfer market, will be out of touch with the modern game and should only be with us until the summer when we should have brought in a suitable long term replacement. I really wish that he'd proved me wrong..... NESV won't be giving us £100m every year to spend that's for sure, which is why it was vital that KD spent his big kitty wisely. For us to get anywhere near the CL we need a huge clearout, bigger than ever, a new manager, and we need to cut our losses on some dire players, but I don't think we can afford to do it. I'd be surprised if we made the CL within the next 5 years, very surprised.
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I heard some moron sticking up for our atrocious finishing by saying, 'yeah, but we've hit the woodwork more than any other team'. Sorry, but hitting the woodwork is poor finishing and has nothing to do with luck. 4 goals behind blackburn now with a £70m strikeforce - I fear that Kenny will be having an uncomfortbale ocnversation with his bosses pretty soon and rightly so.
It's not just our finishing that's the only problem though - the whole team (apart from suarez) look disinteresetd in trying to score. During the 3 corners last night we had just 3 men in the box. Twice during attacks, Enrique was our furthest man forward with no sign of support whatsoever. I'm gutted at how badly kenny has fared in the transfer marekt and how the team are playing. Who in their right mind would stump up £70-75m for carroll, downing and henderson??? (They're probably worth £20m combined). Just think of the players we could have got for that money! We're playing that badly we are still 6th in the EPL. Chelsea spent a tonne of money and are just above us. Carrol would have only had to score once in two poxy games where we have drawn against poor paper sides and we'd be right in the mix- that's the disaster for all too see and I agree that transfer was appalling. Plucking the finest names out of thin air does not equate to signing them if they don't want to come and that may have been the big issue. We are not privy to the info on who turned us down before we bought the British crop. No one is saying hitting the post 18 times or so is just bad luck, but a couple of times it going in off rather than out would not have been unreasonable in the probability arena and again would have put us right in the mix. I'm not saying you're not asking some valid questions Carhee as you are, but I also feel the negativity quickly gets out of hand and it's easy to start talking like we are a drop zone side with some of the stuff I read. As has been said a number of times we have a scoring problem of which a top midfielder (Gerrard) and a top striker will do wonders for. Other than that there is not a lot wrong with a team 18 months or so into a rebuilding phase with the best defensive record in the league.
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I heard some moron sticking up for our atrocious finishing by saying, 'yeah, but we've hit the woodwork more than any other team'. Sorry, but hitting the woodwork is poor finishing and has nothing to do with luck. 4 goals behind blackburn now with a £70m strikeforce - I fear that Kenny will be having an uncomfortbale ocnversation with his bosses pretty soon and rightly so.
It's not just our finishing that's the only problem though - the whole team (apart from suarez) look disinteresetd in trying to score. During the 3 corners last night we had just 3 men in the box. Twice during attacks, Enrique was our furthest man forward with no sign of support whatsoever. I'm gutted at how badly kenny has fared in the transfer marekt and how the team are playing. Who in their right mind would stump up £70-75m for carroll, downing and henderson??? (They're probably worth £20m combined). Just think of the players we could have got for that money! We're playing that badly we are still 6th in the EPL. Chelsea spent a tonne of money and are just above us. Carrol would have only had to score once in two poxy games where we have drawn against poor paper sides and we'd be right in the mix- that's the disaster for all too see and I agree that transfer was appalling. Plucking the finest names out of thin air does not equate to signing them if they don't want to come and that may have been the big issue. We are not privy to the info on who turned us down before we bought the British crop. No one is saying hitting the post 18 times or so is just bad luck, but a couple of times it going in off rather than out would not have been unreasonable in the probability arena and again would have put us right in the mix. I'm not saying you're not asking some valid questions Carhee as you are, but I also feel the negativity quickly gets out of hand and it's easy to start talking like we are a drop zone side with some of the stuff I read. As has been said a number of times we have a scoring problem of which a top midfielder (Gerrard) and a top striker will do wonders for. Other than that there is not a lot wrong with a team 18 months or so into a rebuilding phase with the best defensive record in the league. +1. Very good post, Top4. Completely agree with all of that. I have genuine pity for these whiny little bitches. Sorry, but yes, whiny little bitches. Worse than little girls. Crying and whinging about how our season is in tatters. We're 2 points off the Champions League places. You'd swear we were flirting with relegation! The part I find amusing about it is that most of the people complaining about how where we are is not good enough, are the same people who were playing down our chances of finishing in the top 4 at the start of the season - so surely we should be at the moment, living up to what they thought were realistic expectations? Yet they're not happy. Seems to me that they were downplaying our chances at the start of the season but in reality they secretly had higher expectations than the people who were bigging up our possibilities. Either that or it's just conclusive proof that these individuals purely just live to p*ss and moan about anything and everything. Merry Christmas!
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+1 fro me Bar
my only real frustration is our shooting. we hardly ever make room for a shot, then when we do it truly is p*ss poor. dragged wide or well over the bar. Hendo had the ball pulled back to him last night and he produced a trickle of a shot which went wide, where was the technique and power? Bellamy later did the same, dragging to the left. Downing has now given up on shooting altogether and just runs across the front of the area.
its not that I expect them to fly in but quite often they are spilled for a tap in or deflected aka City. nobody seems to take responsibility. Our threat again came only from Suarez,Johnson and Kuyt(woeful attempts)
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I am not to unhappy with the way we play. Tt will take some time for the team to jell-given that we have 3 new midfield players and Suarez and Carroll are relatively new. Our best player has been out for an extended period. This factors work against us. However,the approach play is fantastic. LFC pressed Wigan on the first 20 miutes and that was Barcelona like. However, the finishing is poor. We purchased Downing, Adams and Henderson who are not goal scorers but assist men. Carrol was meant to be at the end of the assists, but he has not panned out. So what we need is a finisher. I think letting go of Meirels was a mistake because he has goals in him. Maybe Stevie G's return will spark a goal fest
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We have to push up more on attack, we're just not getting enough players in and around the box and it is just too easy for even poor defense's to cope with our attack. I would also say we are also lacking a leader on the pitch, someone like a Roy Keane, to marshall the team and drive us forward. There is a distinct lack of purpose, energy and determination about us in the final third, a kind of lethargy and lack of confidence in front of goal that is soul destroying, I think with someone a modicum of determination urging and pushing us forward from midfield we would have won it comfortably. Wiggan were there for the taking last night and we just didn't have it in us to take them out, even with a penalty thrown in. I wonder how much the Suarez issue took out of us as there was an obvious flatness about us in the last third. It's damned frustrating to say the least.
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We have to push up more on attack, we're just not getting enough players in and around the box and it is just too easy for even poor defense's to cope with our attack. I would also say we are also lacking a leader on the pitch, someone like a Roy Keane, to marshall the team and drive us forward. There is a distinct lack of purpose, energy and determination about us in the final third, a kind of lethargy and lack of confidence in front of goal that is soul destroying, I think with someone a modicum of determination urging and pushing us forward from midfield we would have won it comfortably. Wiggan were there for the taking last night and we just didn't have it in us to take them out, even with a penalty thrown in. I wonder how much the Suarez issue took out of us as there was an obvious flatness about us in the last third. It's damned frustrating to say the least. dont blame the suarez stuff for last night , once again liverpool just couldnt score created but cant score even a missed peno no excuse for this now , luis suarez liverpool main cutting edge has score 1 goal(QPR) in 10 games in the league and its just not good enough , carroll 2 goals , downing a BIG ZERO goals its too many games just to be bad luck now .
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a little dissapointed so far this season... a look at the games we should have won norwich swansea united city and wigan. wed have been right up there...typical LFC
However it seems we are building a good foundation - defense looks pretty solid. we could really do with a mascherano type where lucas played. we deffo need a top striker a mario gomez type big strong and can score unlike carroll whos like bambi on ice.
2-3 top top players required. a top class def mid, a mdric type in the middle and a top striker, maybe even another right winger or left as downing has been very poor.
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a little dissapointed so far this season... a look at the games we should have won norwich swansea united city and wigan. wed have been right up there...typical LFC
However it seems we are building a good foundation - defense looks pretty solid. we could really do with a mascherano type where lucas played. we deffo need a top striker a mario gomez type big strong and can score unlike carroll whos like bambi on ice.
2-3 top top players required. a top class def mid, a mdric type in the middle and a top striker, maybe even another right winger or left as downing has been very poor. So we dont need much then ?
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