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Originally Posted By: Armitage
I m trying to post up a similar one of hodgson

It has him giving the victory sign (being for the 4million contract)

And hodgson saying :
If you can't support us when we lose or draw - then you are fooked cos that's all i know
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Originally Posted By: fazakerley red 1
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I'm confused as to what this is about? Haven't read any of the comments but someone enlighten me
the quote from shankly about supporting the team in the bad time ETC which is great but my point vwas is it just now does that apply and why didnt it apply last season ?
i think its a legitimate question and you would have got a few more people fighting your corner if you hadnt been on a one man (and red4life) mission to get on peoples nerves. av always liked you and think you bring alot of good things to the forum but you have lost your way the last few days.

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Shanks is perfectly correct, of course. If you're not going to support your club during the tough times then you're not a true supporter. It's about being proud of your club even when they're at the bottom of the table, because without that pride in the eyes of the fans the players lose heart and then the whole club is screwed.

As to whether it applies now or last season, obviously it does. But that doesn't mean that the manager or the players have an excuse to pitch up and play badly. They have a duty to show us they can win, particularly during those games we might lose or draw. Cue some diatribe on how Steven Gerrard has epitomized this, but how we lack that ability to dig deep when he's not there. Yes, we still play good football without him, still win a lot of games without him, but we're not so good at duking it out when the chips are down and he's absent, and this season's task of finishing in the top 4 is going to be about winning ugly the whole way if need be. But maybe that's for another post.

Shankly's point remains: even when the team drops points support the team. There are a lot of people on this forum (and others) who seem to forget this very principle. Only when it is clear to all that an individual has compromised the standards of the club is it acceptable to call for his removal, and at 1.7+ points per game [on a par for a 4th placed finish each year since 2001] Dalglish has not compromised anything thus far. He could do better, certainly, but that doesn't mean he needs replacement.

A draw counts as a loss, essentially, and some losses are more catastrophic than others, but that doesn't mean the current squad and management team is happy with their performance, nor does it mean our support should become tepid or hostile.

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some fine points as always Thundyr - I cannot understand what all the negativity is about. We are in the best position as a club than we have been for decades, all the elements which bring a club down such as poor finances, bad owners, terrible manager, unsettled players are no longer there.
Maybe as a season ticket holder i am more fortunate than most in seeing up close what is happening.
The social side of the game is so important to me and now before games the atmosphere is really positive, to the point quite often the result is almost secondary.

There is amongst my friends at least a real belief that we are finally moving together again. The ride is undoubtedly going to be a bit bumpy nut nevertheless we will be back amongst the elite sooner rather than later.
I just more would see it and whilst not enjoy the downs(as if a couple of draws are downs) but certainly accept them as growing pains.

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