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Man, you should have seen these forums. If you think the stick Henderson got is bad, I'd say he is getting off much lighter than Lucas, who was practically vilified for every touch.

I can see some similarities - both were asked to play in out of their pet positions. Lucas was a box to box player and Rafa changed him to a strict DM. Henderson is a natural CM and somewhat box to box and Steve Bruce and KD persisted in playing him as a RM

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Originally Posted By: dasil12
Man, you should have seen these forums. If you think the stick Henderson got is bad, I'd say he is getting off much lighter than Lucas, who was practically vilified for every touch.

I can see some similarities - both were asked to play in out of their pet positions. Lucas was a box to box player and Rafa changed him to a strict DM. Henderson is a natural CM and somewhat box to box and Steve Bruce and KD persisted in playing him as a RM


I'm fully aware of the stick Lucas & Insua got & it was disgraceful to our club & our club behaved disgracefully toward Robbie Keane & Paul Koncheskey who were even more unjustifiably scapegoated .

But to try to argue that a 20 year old is a set in stone one position player is ridiculous .

They are good enough to play in the roles they are given just like the senior Pros , for example Kuyt playing on our wing when he is a career long Centre Forward or Martin Kelly playing at RB instead of his more natural CB .

Carra must have played every position on the pitch for us apart from GK at one time or another & Gerrard has played RB RM CM & CF for us at one time or another .

Now if Lucas was a 30 year old who has won what Gerrard has won & you tried to tell me about him playing out of position I might listen to it , but only might , because the simple truth is that good players play well together & good players can play any position they are asked to .

Would Ian rush have been the best LB in the League ?

No .

But he would have played there & he would have played well because he was willing to work his way into the starting 11 & thank God he did because he scored a hell of a lotta goals for us & played in teams that won us a hell of a lotta silverware .

Bottom line is the standard of performance Lucas is giving us is just above the line of acceptability .

The boy is a battler , a tough nut to mentally crack & that is admirable but bottom line is we have to progress & if he doesnt keep up with the progression he will have to be moved on for the good of the club & personal feelings dont come into it .

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not that is worth a lot i think downing has gone ok. his the only proper winger we have so am just happy we got one at last

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I didnt start this thread to bury Downing. Just wondering why the bashers have already jumped all over Henderson and left Downing alone when after 5 games (and I know its ONLY BEEN 5 GAMES) neither player has shown a whole lot save one great Henderson goal.


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I guess its Downing's turn to get bullied. Enjoy lads.


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I dont think Carroll should be getting bullied yet much less Downing and Henderson. Im just suprised Henderson is getting bullied and not Downing when Downing is an England Int while Henderson is an England under 21 int. You would think more would be expected early on from Downing while Henderson would be given time considering his age. The exact opposite has happened though.


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Downing has given us much needed width that we have been missing for years and years. He hasn't scored yet and am not sure whether he has assisted someone yet either but he is a team player, contributes to the team and does his job without any fuss.

I have not bullied any of our new signings because I know anyone in a new job needs time. I think some of them needs to be dropped e.g. Rodriguez for Hendersen and may be Gerrard for Adam but there is no way you can go around and criticise players so early on the season.


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I am happy with Downings performance so far.

Carroll and Henderson i will wait untill next season to give them time and then judge if they are for the future or we made an error in getting them,they are still young lads remember time is on their side. had better players than them that have taken a season to start performing, so its the least they deserve.


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Originally Posted By: dasil12
Man, you should have seen these forums. If you think the stick Henderson got is bad, I'd say he is getting off much lighter than Lucas, who was practically vilified for every touch.

I can see some similarities - both were asked to play in out of their pet positions. Lucas was a box to box player and Rafa changed him to a strict DM. Henderson is a natural CM and somewhat box to box and Steve Bruce and KD persisted in playing him as a RM


I'm fully aware of the stick Lucas & Insua got & it was disgraceful to our club & our club behaved disgracefully toward Robbie Keane & Paul Koncheskey who were even more unjustifiably scapegoated .

But to try to argue that a 20 year old is a set in stone one position player is ridiculous .

They are good enough to play in the roles they are given just like the senior Pros , for example Kuyt playing on our wing when he is a career long Centre Forward or Martin Kelly playing at RB instead of his more natural CB .

Carra must have played every position on the pitch for us apart from GK at one time or another & Gerrard has played RB RM CM & CF for us at one time or another .

Now if Lucas was a 30 year old who has won what Gerrard has won & you tried to tell me about him playing out of position I might listen to it , but only might , because the simple truth is that good players play well together & good players can play any position they are asked to .

Would Ian rush have been the best LB in the League ?

No .

But he would have played there & he would have played well because he was willing to work his way into the starting 11 & thank God he did because he scored a hell of a lotta goals for us & played in teams that won us a hell of a lotta silverware .

Bottom line is the standard of performance Lucas is giving us is just above the line of acceptability .

The boy is a battler , a tough nut to mentally crack & that is admirable but bottom line is we have to progress & if he doesnt keep up with the progression he will have to be moved on for the good of the club & personal feelings dont come into it .




I'm surprised you're still on these boards with some of the abuse you've been dishing out!!
I've read almost every one of your posts and if I were a mod I would have barred you by now. If you've only come on here to antagonize people then you're doing a good job! It's ok to have an opinion but the abuse you put into post becomes a bit personal!

That's just my opinion!

And I'm not referring to this particular post!

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downing has been better than henderson so far. no doubt about it imo.

but im still expecting to see a lot more from both of them.


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