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Same old Liverpool for me, no difference from any other season, I suppose you always get the people who say if only this or if only that but at the end of the day it's a defeat. I cant believe nobody has started having a go at Dalglish yet, this man has spent well over 100 million pounds on players and it's arguable wether we are better or not from last season. The so called King has told us a pack of lies this week saying Andy Carroll has never been fitter or focussed, if so why did'nt he play him today, you will never get a team more taylor made for Carroll to play against than Stoke today, today should of been the game to let Carroll shove Cappello's taunts down his throat but no for some unknown reason the so called King decided to leave him out. I dont know about anybody else but the decisions Dalglish has been making like playing Skirtel full back, pereservering with Henderson and spending 35 million on Carroll are exactly the same sort of things he was doing when he lost the plot at the end of his previous reign. i agree today he should have said to carroll go out there and stuff the abuse down the press and capellos throats , but after backing him he leaves him out , liverpool are going to finish 4th 5th or 6th no higher than that its the same old liverpool will be decent at home and pretty ordinary away , i have said it before if liverpool finish 4th 5th or 6th and win a cup then its has been a fan tastic season , and winning a cup would be a great step forward to future events , and its got to be at least the league cup , all this hype that has surrounded liverpool is to much all based on a home win against bolton wanderers and an away win against a dire dire arsenal , i have said it before and i say it again this seasaon is a season of massive transition it will need loads of hard work loads of luck to even get 5th never mind 4th or then crazy lot of you who actually tought liverpool could win the league . i think 4th is poss but being realistic it is 5th/6th. winning the league? the scum and city are miles away from liverpool far to good even though it pains me to say :-( i think the league cup is possible maybe a good run in the fa cup come the new year also .. still im optimistic.
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missed the game so can't really comment. Just saw that Hendersen chance, only needed to lift it over the keeper and it would be 1-1 and momentum with us easy as that. Really disappointed.
Back to Back World Champions baby!
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My take on the game was it was not the ref's fault because it is easy to do so after the performance and result.
The turning point in the game was Henderson's miss when played open by a beauty by Enrique. His 3 shots lacked confidence when someone like Gerrard would have chipped the keeper or laid off a pass to Suarez. From that moment, i have a strange feeling that everything will go against Liverpool and it did.
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I'm going to keep it simple, cos there isn't much to say. We've not beaten Stoke away in 4 attempts, and oddly enough they're improving season by season. We struggle there because traditionally Liverpool is not a side that is good in the air. Which explains why Carroll was on the bench - prior to the game I stressed we would need Carroll and Suarez to start for precisely the reason that we couldn't allow them to defend only against pace or air.
Problem 1: Stoke have a narrow pitch, and have defenders good in the air. This means they will be tough to break down unless your passing game is on fire - and ours was not. Downing spent most of the second half playing in the middle of the park as well, and the first half was dominated by long balls from Liverpool for reasons unknown.
Problem 2: Lots of marginal decisions went against us - on a different day we would have won 1-0.
My feeling? We had an off-day in terms of passing, forcing us to hoof it too much. This meant we played too much to their strengths, which was tactically flawed. In addition, a bad day at the office for some players meant we couldn't break them down once they parked the bus.
Is it a crisis? No. It's week 4 with a largely new squad, we've had major decisions go against us in each game thus far, and we're playing like we want to win but aren't quite there yet in terms of consistency, communication, and squad gelling. Those 3 aspects only need time and determination, and a somewhat more impartial official. I see this as a point dropped, which is bad certainly, but not the crisis some "supporters" are inventing. Like them, I also worry about our back 4 and our inability to be clinical in front of goal, but maybe you're all shouting a bit too soon. After all, Dalglish has still won more than half the games he's managed thus far this season, and you have to go all the way back to his previous stint in charge to find a manager with a better average. Football is a game where you win some games you shouldn't and lose some games you shouldn't. This was one of the latter. Take it on the chin and move on, grow up and support your club rather than trying your hardest to undermine the club and everyone associated with it. Pretty good analysis of the game Thundyr. Still a lot of positives from it considering the ref was shocking to boot. Just the finish on a couple of occasions let us down.
Last edited by Top4; 11/09/11 07:08 AM.
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true dasil12 hendo never looked like scoring the moment the ball touched his feet i knew it whilst watching.
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bellamy should have played from the get go. kenny was unwise to not change a winning team,he's made changes before to counter stoke and should have done so again. when gerrard is fit ,him and bellamy need to be playing all the time. 4th is gonna be a real challenge. can't keep carrying the hard working but not quiet brilliant players. also suarez needs a goalscorer like bellamy alongside him ,seems to be feeling the pressure of being the only one on the pitch. defo bellemy must start he looked good for the brief time he had today always alert craig and luis up top for me !
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You cant say we didnt have a ton of chances because we sure as hell did. Give credit to the stoke defenders for playing their f'n tails off. I dont think stoke had one chance all day that scared me where I thought they might score except of corse the penalty. It just wasnt our day and it doesnt get any easier next week.
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Everyone has off days, and games where the ball will simply not go in the back of the net.
I still think we lack a creative player to assist in breaking down teams like stoke.
But our squad is still stronger than last years and the year before that so hope we bounce back strong.
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Watchig the game I couldn't help feeling that Luis seems to have lost some of his form. He stumbled over the ball and missed that last chance by miles.
He woldn't have done that in top form.
I hope Copa America won't come up and bite us in the tail the whole season through!
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i'm very disappointed with the result. i think we played ok and had enough chances to win the game. henderson had 3 of his own but from the moment he got the ball you could feel he didn't have the confidence to convert the chance into a goal. i know it's easy to say when you're only a spectator but if he had better vision he should have given the ball to suarez after the first missed chance. he was in a much better position...
i feel we were a bit unlucky with the decisions... just as kenny said after the game there have been plenty of strange decisions in the opening four games and everyone of them has gone against us. i don't think they should have had a penalty yesterday, yes carra did put his arm around him but that was after walters gave him a little push, and walters fell very easily. and we should have had one or two penalties of our own.
well there's nothing to do about it now. i just hope that we can get 3 points next weekend because i won't be fun looking at the table and being 8 points behind city and scum after 5 games...
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