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(sold him for a very tidy profit too despite him only playing well for 2 out of his 5 seasons, the other 3 he was awful) Selling Alonso can never be classed as making a profit. He was the key to our play last season. Had we kept hold of him, we at least had a shot at the title. This is not profit, just the yanks gettin their pockets lined again. Would you have been happy had Alonso been sold in the summer of 08 and Barry bought in? I know I would because for the previous 2 seasons Alonso was cr@p. Yes he was our best, or one of them, last year but who's to say he wouldn't have gone back to being rubbish again and then Rafa would have been a fool for not selling him? So going on your logic of selling Alonso because he was bad for two seasons, well get shut of Carragher as well as he has been very poor for three and Mascherano has been poor for two, be fair it has to be across the board for all players not just one like Alonso.
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I eman lets take dossena for example, had a glorius reputation, had the international call ups, was teh best performer in italy, in defensive role. his CV looked good, he performed! Rafa buys him based on this, it doesnt work out, you cant blame the coach, he acted on all the right information! Sometimes you gotta accept that life will never be the way you want it to be.
Any manager that spends 8m on a player, based purely on reputation needs to be sacked anyway... you dont agree with that? You think LFC is run life Exeter? It is so obvious that he was scouted, and watched, and he had the reputation to go with it. o my god...... A player should be scouted, watched, interviewed and investigated before spending masses of money on him. Then you learn his strenghts/weaknesses and build an overall picture of the man. Then you dont end up buying Babel the rapper.
The sea, will be the sea, whatever the drops philosophy!
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once again Stuey failed to answer my question, is 14m a season enought for a club like liverpool to be spending, i personally dont think so, as for how rafa scouts and buys players if you knew anything about him and the scoting department and coachs he has you would know that he does exactly what you said in your above message,
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Ferguson sold Ronaldo.....should he be sacked.
Fact is Alonso wanted out regardless of who was our manager because he wanted to play for madrid, always has. We were a stepping stone for his ultimate dream.
Also, lets keep in mind that is ACTUAL spend is less than what Unreal paid for ONE player. How do you expect him to keep up with that?
By the way, to not take into account sales is stupid because it gives you a clear indication of exactly how much he has been given. People say he has been given between 20 and 30 mil a season to spend but that is clearly not true.
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Most of the big clubs don't have to sell in order to buy new players.
Rafa has had to rebuild the squad with about 15mil a year.
Since he has been here-we have had extra funds from doing so well in the champions league.
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[quote=trepie] (sold him for a very tidy profit too despite him only playing well for 2 out of his 5 seasons, the other 3 he was awful) Selling Alonso can never be classed as making a profit. He was the key to our play last season. Had we kept hold of him, we at least had a shot at the title. This is not profit, just the yanks gettin their pockets lined again. Would you have been happy had Alonso been sold in the summer of 08 and Barry bought in? I know I would because for the previous 2 seasons Alonso was cr@p. Yes he was our best, or one of them, last year but who's to say he wouldn't have gone back to being rubbish again and then Rafa would have been a fool for not selling him? So going on your logic of selling Alonso because he was bad for two seasons, well get shut of Carragher as well as he has been very poor for three and Mascherano has been poor for two, be fair it has to be across the board for all players not just one like Alonso. [/quote] My point was that back in 08 not many on here seemed too bothered about him going as he had had a few bad seasons and now Rafa is the bad guy for selling him. He had probably his best season last year and understandably we all wanted him to stay (me included). And since when have Carra and Mash had bad seasons. Are we not one of the best teams defensively in the league? Take a look at the last 3 seasons. We let in 27 last year behind Manure and Chavs, 07 - 08 was 28 behind Manure and Chavs and in 06 - 07 it was 27 behind only the Chavs. Doesn't seem to me that 2 of our defensive players have had 2 - 3 bad seasons?
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[quote=Stuey][quote=trepie] (sold him for a very tidy profit too despite him only playing well for 2 out of his 5 seasons, the other 3 he was awful) Selling Alonso can never be classed as making a profit. He was the key to our play last season. Had we kept hold of him, we at least had a shot at the title. This is not profit, just the yanks gettin their pockets lined again. Would you have been happy had Alonso been sold in the summer of 08 and Barry bought in? I know I would because for the previous 2 seasons Alonso was cr@p. Yes he was our best, or one of them, last year but who's to say he wouldn't have gone back to being rubbish again and then Rafa would have been a fool for not selling him? So going on your logic of selling Alonso because he was bad for two seasons, well get shut of Carragher as well as he has been very poor for three and Mascherano has been poor for two, be fair it has to be across the board for all players not just one like Alonso. [/quote] My point was that back in 08 not many on here seemed too bothered about him going as he had had a few bad seasons and now Rafa is the bad guy for selling him. He had probably his best season last year and understandably we all wanted him to stay (me included). And since when have Carra and Mash had bad seasons. Are we not one of the best teams defensively in the league? Take a look at the last 3 seasons. We let in 27 last year behind Manure and Chavs, 07 - 08 was 28 behind Manure and Chavs and in 06 - 07 it was 27 behind only the Chavs. Doesn't seem to me that 2 of our defensive players have had 2 - 3 bad seasons? [/quote]well back in 2005-2006 we had the best defensive record in the league as well, we had a defensive midfielder in Sissoko who along with Alonso was the main reason for that we set a club record of about 13 consecutive clean sheets in a row in the process, yet the waiter went out and wasted 18.6 million pound on the Argentine David Batty which is Mascherano, everyone knew the money needed to be spent on a winger or forward, someone who was going to turn all thos draws into wins, but Sissoko was still sold, so he has a habbit of wasting money on things which are never broke. Carragher is the luckiest player ever to make 500 games for the club and it's no wonder we have never won a league when he's one of the best players, shows how poor the team has been down the years.
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Some positivity about a player in Rafa's team!!! Careful now Emp poeple will think are starting to like Rafa ;0)
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anyone that thinks carra doesn't deserve his place is an idiot - he has been brilliant for us overall ..... he deserved to rack up a lot more england caps than he did
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anyone that thinks carra doesn't deserve his place is an idiot - he has been brilliant for us overall ..... he deserved to rack up a lot more england caps than he did if you think about it all Jamie Caraghers best qualities are non footballing ability ones, Courage, determination, never say die attitude, reliable, brave and fully dependable, unfortunately he cant kick a ball down Everton Valley and the truth of the matter is he would never of got near the old Liverpool reserve team never mind the first 11. FACT.
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