KopTalk.com Forums Football Liverpool FC Forum brilliant article, on why we still believe.

The point I am making is players nowadays are only likely to sign for a Club currently at the top level, they wont sign for a Club like ours just because we used to win things 25 years ago and because of a rich history. The reason I used Chelsea is because Chelsea history wise cant compare with ours but a top player nowadays will 9 times out of 10 pick them ahead of us, it's just the way football is now. Messi is only young I would be shocked if he stays at Barcelona for more than another two or three seasons, I say this because by that time he will of won everything another 2 or 3 times and will be looking for a new fresh challenge. My own feelings is that he will be a Manchester City player by then and more thasn likely be the worlds first million pound a game player. This is what I am trying to say, he would not even contemplate picking a Club like Liverpool with one of the richest histories in the world, all players are interested is winning the games major honours now and being paid a kings ransom in doing it, this is where we have fell away because we dont do any and have'nt done for years.

My old dad used to say "you go to lose and hope to win"!i can see why young fans are fretting and find it hard to relish/enjoy,or indeed pay homage to what we achieved in the past and accuse fans of actually living in the past but i can only say for those of us who have witnessed the successes of LFC are very realistic in our expectations in fact the older fans would have more reason to be saddened by the fact that they have seen the glory only to have a huge gap in progression, younger fans i feel are experiencing frustration in comparison to other clubs ie manu,my main point here is maybe older fans have seen lots of ups and downs and have more faith in the fact that its all swings and roundabouts but it takes time to build a club back up,it may be late but that's whats happening now! patience is needed but so is optimism. I want success as much as the next fan, meantime ill support the vision. because i can see it! JUST MY THOUGHTS!

Good post Lain but I think the little rain clouds of doom on here are as old as us.

Well said there LiverbirdLain, Yes us golden oldies have seen LFC down, then gloriously up, then down and now going back up, but 'em young'uns never saw the sun rising and like flat earth'ers can't bring themselves to believe that ups and downs go round and round!! They can only see a linear world such is their depravity of experience, poor sod's!!

Or maybe aliens! ( only joking!)

Feel a bit dizzy now with all them ups and downs and round and round

stop drinking lumba! you know it makes sense

I think we are going to be a real surprise package this season, and one that packs a big punch.

sorry aldo i can see lumba coming back with a pic to go with your post! i agree with you tho!