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trepie #13703 07/09/09 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted By: trepie
you are really blinkered aren't you? one of those clueless, head up their own backside type of fans that give the rest of us a bad name ......... you brought in babel by saying that rafa is some kind of transfer market genius and knows better than me - i was merely pointing out that the signing of babel proves he makes as many mistakes as the rest of us ....... and yes after 5 years it is right to blame rafa as the players were coming through previously ...... the gerrards, carraghers, mcmanamans, fowlers and owens haven't magically disappeared, they are still there, the gems in the youth team. It's just that now their development is being stifled because they can't get a game - if you fail to see that then you have no knowledge of the game!

i support my club through thick and thin but that doesn't mean i have to say everything is right with it ...... i want the best for my club and that means pointing out things that are lacking in the hope they will get improved ...... unfortunately we have buttkissers like you who just follow along blindly like sheep backing everything and agreeing with everything so nothing ever gets done!

the bringing in of kenny was a masterstroke because he is an ally to rafa and the fans love him but it has set back the youth academy when heighway was doing a fine job ...... i have no problem with ablett getting the push as he is no favourite of mine ..... average player at best and no great shakes as a coach either in my opinion

actually joe if you read other people's posts you will see that the other guy kept bringing in people like el zhar as examples, to which i was pointing out who the scum had brought through like that

as for your cluelessness about warnock's abilities i will just laugh at your obvious stupidity! the guy is good enough for a top side - outstanding for blackburn since he went there, hence his move to villa in the summer ...... yes he wanted to go because rafa wouldn't give him the opportunities he wanted and rafa decided to choose aurelio over him ..... i think we can all see that was a bad choice as fabs was injury prone before he got here and is even more so since being here!

btw you keep criticising me for sitting on a free forum like it has some kind of stigma attached but you know nothing about me or what i do so i would suggest you shush about it ....... oh and remember that your also sat on a free forum so mayhaps your opinions and ideas are irrelevant then??


Im bkinkerd? Head up backside? That again is your opinion and you are entitled to your opinions, I never told you cannot express you opinion, if that how you feel about me that your choice, I cant change it, I don’t need to change it, because you and your opinions are irrelevant.
I failed to have knowledge of the game, yea well, again you throwing angry opinions at me, that again your opinion and your choice well done on expressing it.


The players that came through previously is great, and I wish we could repeat that, but very seldom do any academy achieve that. Even the scum are buying youth nowadays as opposed to bringing them through in groups, maybe one or two.

Im happy with the way Rafa is handling the academy upto now, we came 2nd in the league without many of the youth, we don’t want to risk that now, until we are sure the kids are ready and can handle the pressure. After two losses in three games, I think its not ideal to bring in youngsters at the moment.

I think I have a balance view, “MY OPINION” I think I look at the club and Rafa and his things from my standpoint, and I do question him, and I can’t agree with some of his selection and choices, yea. But hey, Rafa is the Gaffer, he doesn’t do things out his whims and fancies, he does it with a plan etc, so I don’t enforce my opinion on anybody.
Rafa works one on one with the players, he can see things I cant.

I didn’t like Highway! “ MY OPINION” ( IM entitled to it)

Warnock is a average player that will excel at a club like Blackburn, Villa. I think he deserves his place in a mid table team, same like Danny Guthrie. They are average boys.
For a team like Liverpool I expect better than a WARNOCK.

(I am entitled to my opinion, you call me whatever you want mate, I will stick to my
views and not change because you try and impose you ways on me)

If expressing your opinions make you feel that you are more knowledgeable, then as I keep telling you, you are entitled to feel and express anything, it is a democracy and a free world. Go ahead let out your anger and frustration me mate, it good for you.

Nobody could predict that Fabio would be injured so often, if Warnock didn’t want to wait, then tough luck mate, we got a young hungry South American boy who is willing to wait. Insua yes, take your chance young Argentinean boy

Im not circuiting you for sitting on a free forum, what im doing is trying to highlight the way and the manner you make you point are full of self arrogance and “know it all” attitude, without respecting what other people say or feel or their opinion. You respond with words like “BLINKERD, HEAD UP BACKSIDE, stupid, you out of your depth”, after I saw the way you responded I tried to check you details, cos I wanted to know if you a old player of the club, or are you maybe Stephen Darby or Pacheco brother.

You lambast people opinions, you disregard what they say if they don’t agree with you, you throw foul words at people. Really, are you David Burrows, or Ray Houghton’s family? Barry Venison’s relative?

Im sitting on a free fourn discussing with other people, I could disagree, I will laugh at some pple comments, but I never try and enforce my opinion on anyone, never, I never tell people here they stupid. The language a person uses is a discussion is usually a barometer for their level of education/social standing. Constructive crictism is a great thing, but that’s not what you do.
You are a ex player, or mayb you could be thommo?


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nobody could predict fabs would be injured all the time? have you ever bothered to check his injury record before he joined us? obviously not ..... the guy has and always will be injury prone, before he joined us and after he leaves us it will always be the same

you didn't like heighway? perhaps you should go and check his record for bringing through players before you criticise him! make an informed opinion rather than just criticising a club great who was treated shabbily!

as for lambasting other people's opinions its called disagreeing - disregarding no - i disregard obviously ill-informed or personally biased opinions yes ....... like yours when it comes to sticking up for EVERY little thing and ged and rafa when they try and blame rafa for every thing

as for who i am and who i know that is none of your business, nor is it relevant but i will point out that very few ex-players know anything about the club ..... the players there now know very little why do you think the ex-players would have any kind of knowledge? is it because they are dragged up by every tv channel and radio station and newspaper to give their PERSONAL opinion on events that happen? perhaps you believe they must know more coz they once wore a pair of footie boots and got paid for doing so? just remember one thing your average player is not all that bright, unfortunately

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Originally Posted By: trepie
nobody could predict fabs would be injured all the time? have you ever bothered to check his injury record before he joined us? obviously not ..... the guy has and always will be injury prone, before he joined us and after he leaves us it will always be the same

you didn't like heighway? perhaps you should go and check his record for bringing through players before you criticise him! make an informed opinion rather than just criticising a club great who was treated shabbily!

as for lambasting other people's opinions its called disagreeing - disregarding no - i disregard obviously ill-informed or personally biased opinions yes ....... like yours when it comes to sticking up for EVERY little thing and ged and rafa when they try and blame rafa for every thing

as for who i am and who i know that is none of your business, nor is it relevant but i will point out that very few ex-players know anything about the club ..... the players there now know very little why do you think the ex-players would have any kind of knowledge? is it because they are dragged up by every tv channel and radio station and newspaper to give their PERSONAL opinion on events that happen? perhaps you believe they must know more coz they once wore a pair of footie boots and got paid for doing so? just remember one thing your average player is not all that bright, unfortunately


I dont like highway, and that my choice, if you dont like it, thats your choice, you like who you like, and let me like who i like. I DONT LIKE HIGHWAY:)))I didnt crictise him, i just said i dont like him. Riise played for the team i love, i didnt like him. same with zenden etc

i didnt see his injury stats before rafa bought him, nope, sorry.

Disagreeing is one thing, enforcing and trying to belittle ppl by calling them names,if they are giving a different opinion to yours, does not indicate disagreeing, it shows your level of education and your social standing in society. yea.

I dont care which player knows the club, and which player doesnt know the club.
I like each player to do his best to get a result,and give 100% for his shirt.

you and me, we cant be RAFA, we cant be carra, we can sit as fans and discuss and have different opinions and exchange views, but once you become arrogant and you start using distatseful names for fellow fans....... then...... then.... you know what happens.

I disagreed with you on warnock, did i come and tell you u a drunkard middel class salary worker, and you dont know f all about footie? no ways. cos you have your opinion, and i have mine:)

As you say the average player is not at all that bright, yea, that why i didnt like WARNOCK, he was average. Well when i say they know more about footie than you, not necessarily about the club, im sure there are guys in liverrpool city that know more about the history and the club that rafa himself. im refering to the footie part. yea

Like you havent got the experience, nor the one on one dealing with the players to make some comments you make:)

Adios Amigo, Tres poontos ehse


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you are clearly showing a lack of thought in your comments - did wenger have experience playing footie? gonna tell me he knows nothing about footie? the man knows more about footie than any player ever will ...... even the likes of carra who lives and breathes footie

stop disrespecting Steve HEighway with your misspelling of his name - whether you like him or not at least have respect for someone who has done more for the club than you will ever do!

*sighs* you are one of those kinda fans that causes the divide between OOTs and the locals ....... you question the knowledge of everyone else when you clearly have none ..... you keep telling me i should just follow blindly behind Rafa coz he knows more than i do ...... i am quite sure he does but that doesn't mean i can't criticise those mistakes he does make, especially the ones he is repeating over and over again!

i am sure if you had been around while Souness was in charge you would have been blindly following him just the same ....... you would have been on here telling people who criticised his decisions that he must know better ...... but he didn't did he?

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Originally Posted By: trepie
you are clearly showing a lack of thought in your comments - did wenger have experience playing footie? gonna tell me he knows nothing about footie? the man knows more about footie than any player ever will ...... even the likes of carra who lives and breathes footie

stop disrespecting Steve HEighway with your misspelling of his name - whether you like him or not at least have respect for someone who has done more for the club than you will ever do!

*sighs* you are one of those kinda fans that causes the divide between OOTs and the locals ....... you question the knowledge of everyone else when you clearly have none ..... you keep telling me i should just follow blindly behind Rafa coz he knows more than i do ...... i am quite sure he does but that doesn't mean i can't criticise those mistakes he does make, especially the ones he is repeating over and over again!

i am sure if you had been around while Souness was in charge you would have been blindly following him just the same ....... you would have been on here telling people who criticised his decisions that he must know better ...... but he didn't did he?


The more we interact, and the more you respond without reading my messages, the more i get a clear pcture of your social standing and level in society. yea.
You could go back on the topics and read through, you will be quite shocked how i lambast souness, i hated him. he started the downfall.I am around since the days of kenny. Yea. I dont like highway, thats my choice, how i spell his name, is my choice too, since i am at work and i type fast, becasue i have a team of 70 staff to manage. I dont think i will do anything for the club, like i said to you before, i know my place in society, i cannot manage or influnce liverpool, im just a supporter.

Coming back to the local and OOT, maybe if the local step aside and let internationals with big bucks and business experince take over, we will transform this club into a powerhouse. You see the club has been in the hands of locals, and it is during the last 18 years that the locals couldnt get enough dough to invest and buy the club out. You can go and read my post in one of the other threads regarding this division of the suporters, my view is very clearly documented and i actually see it as one supporter in contrast to some who see it as two seperate supporters.

Why are you bringing wenger into the equation? im refering to you and your NO NAME in football, i told you you are free to crictisize, but do not impose or disrpect people who do not have your view!! Thats what i told you. But you cannot stomach the fact that i have highlighted these points to you, and now you bare looking for ways to prove you are more knowledeable, i have told yo before, YOU HAVE YOUR OPINION , and i have MINE!

The fact that you just assume im one of those that makes a divide amongst fans is really showing "who is lacking thought".

kNOWLEDGE of footie, so what, thats wengers business, his knowledge of footie isnt bring him any silverware is it? Your argumants are baseless and you cannot stomach it when people oppose you and share their own views.

Buy the way. I NEVER LIKED HIGHWAY "HEIGWAY" my opinion, my choice. you like Lucas, i dont like lucas:)))


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so now you are trying to claim you are better than me? you have a higher place in society than me coz you have 70 people to manage? sheesh you are just like ged! sad!

wenger has won more in footie than you will ever even dream of! so to slate his knowledge is just being pathetic for the sake of it! as for why i brought him into it, well if you really can't see that then you are a very unintelligent person as it was you that mentioned that only those who have played know anything about the game ...... i raised wenger to show you that even at the top levels of the game the most knowledgeable are not the players

i would love you to show me where i have said i like lucas because i have never said it and never would ...... i don't know the lad to like or dislike him ...... if you mean do i rate him as a player then no i don't .... i don't think he should be in the team and would much prefer to see spearing starting than lucas

i don't see what anything in this thread has to do with OOTs and locals ...... but you are getting on your high horse about it now when i have always defended your right to support the club and also believe you can be as much a fan as anyone that is born locally ...... but if you want to turn it into a fight about where people are from then don't waste your time trying to pick it with me coz i am not interested in the slightest in where anyone is from

btw you talk about not imposing or disrespecting people when you are just as disrespectful as ged or stuey with your talk about people's social standing ...... you go back to your job and report to your bosses while i go back to doing what i do with no bosses to report to and you can bitch and whine to your underlings how important you are afterwards wink

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Originally Posted By: trepie
so now you are trying to claim you are better than me? you have a higher place in society than me coz you have 70 people to manage? sheesh you are just like ged! sad!

wenger has won more in footie than you will ever even dream of! so to slate his knowledge is just being pathetic for the sake of it! as for why i brought him into it, well if you really can't see that then you are a very unintelligent person as it was you that mentioned that only those who have played know anything about the game ...... i raised wenger to show you that even at the top levels of the game the most knowledgeable are not the players

i would love you to show me where i have said i like lucas because i have never said it and never would ...... i don't know the lad to like or dislike him ...... if you mean do i rate him as a player then no i don't .... i don't think he should be in the team and would much prefer to see spearing starting than lucas

i don't see what anything in this thread has to do with OOTs and locals ...... but you are getting on your high horse about it now when i have always defended your right to support the club and also believe you can be as much a fan as anyone that is born locally ...... but if you want to turn it into a fight about where people are from then don't waste your time trying to pick it with me coz i am not interested in the slightest in where anyone is from

btw you talk about not imposing or disrespecting people when you are just as disrespectful as ged or stuey with your talk about people's social standing ...... you go back to your job and report to your bosses while i go back to doing what i do with no bosses to report to and you can bitch and whine to your underlings how important you are afterwards wink


Im sorry if your own shortcomings made you interpret the "70 people to manage" as though i was taking a pop at your social standing. no ways buddy i do apologise if you feel that way. What i meant was i was typing and handling many people here. Of course wenger has won much more than me, like i told you, he is a manager and i am comfortable with my place in society as a fan. i can never and will nevr be able to compare to wenger and rafa, cos im just a ordinary paying fan. Wheather wenger is more knowledegble is a matter of opinion as to who is more knowledgeble and who isnt. But i will never sit here and crctisize wenger and try and impose my though on others, if other feel different to me, that fine, as long as they dont swear and riducule and insult other people. after all we do all suport one club. No ways me mate, g and read me post on othe rthreads yu will see i view OOT's and locals as one:) yea. i dont make the distinction. i stand for LFC only. nobody else. I just used Lucas as a example:) I dont rate him either:) we share a common opinion:) wow. Social standing was brought up because of the manner you spoke to me, and you attacked me.:)

It will never happen again if we all treat one anothe rwith respect:) yea. I also love working without reporting to anyone.

OOps we straying off the topic here, lets keep it footiie:)


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