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Originally Posted By: Jim Tonez
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you must not know anyone who knows anything about football then. and no one knew anything about alonso, reina, garcia when we signed them and torres' reputation was of a talent who was going nowhere fast his goalscoring record at atletico was okay and was considered by everybody a massive risk at 20+ million. so those players didn't come with any real reputations.


That's not exactly treue though is it

Reina was rated as one of the best keepers in the Spanish league - and was one of the pivotal players in getting Villareal into the champions league for the first time in their history

It was a similar with Alonso at Real Socediad and everyone who had seen Spain play knew that torres was one of the most highly rated young strikers in Europe

and Luis Garcia used to start for Barcelona

Even if your utter falsehoods were true, these aforementioned players had a f*** site more potential than the likes of henderson and Jones and if yoiu dusagree with that you're a liar


Hey Jim - I sort of agree on your facts there but you are missing the point. due to Hicks and Gillete we are in difficult situation albeit a short term one. We have money to spend but cannot offer Champs league football therefore our targets need to be good but also young enough to develop. I think you are being abit harsh on Henderson, he is good but I agree over valued at 16mil. That said Rooney was overvalued at 25mil and Walcott t 11mil. Chamberlain who has never played anywhere near the prem is at 12mil. Jees thats what it takes, alternatively we can offer like city(before champs league) 10-20+ mil for lescotts, Milners, Adebayors, Toure's, Given, Bridge, Barry's, Bellamy's who offer no re-sale value and have inflated contracts. The build is a different one to what we maybe usd too. The squad needs 5/6 good players who can compliment what we have. Those of Downing, Adam, Wickham, Cahill, Clichy fit the bill.Most have Premiership experience so will settle quicker than a foreign player. we have to hit the ground running next year so we can really grow. Then the odd quality addition year on year after that. It really is the best way

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Exactly its the equivalent of thinking the sky is falling because you got hit on the head with a pine cone.

All media (whores) outlets follow the same pattern except for the BBC who don't run their stoies past sir alex before printing them.

If United sign a youngster for over 15 million they have snapped up a wonderkid.

If Liverpool sign a youngster for over 15 million they have over spent on unproven quality they are no better than Man City and Real Madrid.

United sign Ashley Young - They have added quality to their ranks and his ferocious pace and trickery will torment defenders for years to come.

Liverpool sign Ashley Young - They have over spend on an inconsistant winger who never really made it on the big stage and threatens to be an expensive flop.

Liverpool spend 20m on Aqulani - STOP THE PRESSES its the worst thing since Apartheid this could spell the end of football as we know it and Benitez is worse than Hitler.

United spend 28mil on Veron - Nothing because it was never mentioned.. Havent you been listening??? Purple Noses mistakes arent mentioned and was only him testing Jorno's faith.

There is a clear pattern hear Tonez don't get swept up by it

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Yes there seems to be something amiss with this polisy of buying expensive unproven potential from lower teams..the exception being suarez.Buying players of the calibre that they rhave been will create only mediocre teams.Quality ready made players are what is required.

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Two, that position would be admirable if we were in champions league and contending for such quality on even scale with the other big boys. All we can sell next year is the turnaround, intent, and history. For some players, that's enough, for others its CL or nothing. Would LOVE for us to be able to fight people for the Hazards or Neymars of the world but at the moment we have one hand tied behind our back until we get back to where we should be. One step at a time.

And Irish, don't forget Forlan!

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Originally Posted By: thekop_swede
this is a great video by a fellow swedish red!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpmjqWnZomU

for all you doubters....kenny knows what he's doing. smile



Great vid that swede. Long live the King. In Kenny I trust.


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Originally Posted By: murph75
I'd rather Henderson any day of the week than Nzogbia.

There's where your problem is Jim. You cant spot a decent player when you see one.


People have varying different views on N'Zogbia but save half a dozen decent performances at the stasrt of the season, Henderson has been thoroughly average

Did you not see him playing for the Under 21s against Spain? He was given the complete run around by Martinez - a quality player and one we were linked with back in the dats we used to be associated wuth decent players

Don't get me wrong. He gewts my 100% support as soon as he pits on that Red shirt but as he hasn't yet played for Liverpool, all we have to go on in his performances for Sunderland the England U21s - and the fact that that fills you with optimism makes me think that's it uou who doesn't know a decent player when you see one - or rather in this case an average one

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Originally Posted By: Jim Tonez
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I'd rather Henderson any day of the week than Nzogbia.

There's where your problem is Jim. You cant spot a decent player when you see one.


People have varying different views on N'Zogbia but save half a dozen decent performances at the stasrt of the season, Henderson has been thoroughly average

Did you not see him playing for the Under 21s against Spain? He was given the complete run around by Martinez - a quality player and one we were linked with back in the dats we used to be associated wuth decent players

Don't get me wrong. He gewts my 100% support as soon as he pits on that Red shirt but as he hasn't yet played for Liverpool, all we have to go on in his performances for Sunderland the England U21s - and the fact that that fills you with optimism makes me think that's it uou who doesn't know a decent player when you see one - or rather in this case an average one


You've got a funny way of showing it.

The fact that Kenny is happy to splash the cash on henderson is good enough for me. I'd rather judge his opinion on a player rather than yours Jim. There's a reason we're posting our opinions on a forum. We dont as much as we think we do.


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Originally Posted By: House

reina was let go by barce and then had a very good season and then we signed him who else wanted reina? and yet he was highly rated? alonso was at real sociadad nothing more needs saying and torres yes was rated as a talent nothing more because again we wasn't fighting all the other big clubs for his signature was we? these players were okay players and rated so by everyone and rafa signed them because he went with what he knew witch was spain and because they were relatively cheap except torres. they turned out brilliant signings but they didn't come with some huge reputation if they did we wouldn't have been so cheap or gettable


you're forgetting that Real Socedad and Villareal - not 2 of the bigger Spanish sides - got to the champions league because of stand-out performances by the likes of Alonso and Reina so they had bigger reputations thanb sunderland who was unable to do anything to halt Sunderland's slide down the table in the second half of the season

Also, under Rafa attracting big name players was seldom a problem because whatever peoples opinions of the man he got us champions league season after season (apart from his last)

Hnderson cannot be compsared with any of those players before liverpool signed them because he simply hasn't made the sort of impact they had, and thus at £20m otr whatever it is seems vastly overpriced

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they were good players but thats all they were good. when we signed them all the other big teams across europe were not [oops] off because we'd beat to the signing. did they (alonso, reina etc) do more at their teams than henderson has done at sunderland before we brought them? yes, but they didn't do as much as you think.

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Originally Posted By: murph75

I'd rather judge his opinion on a player rather than yours Jim. There's a reason we're posting our opinions on a forum. We dont as much as we think we do.


At last something I can agree with you on

Although I do get the impression that Henderson was a Comoli signing as opposed to a Kenny one

I'm not saying it's a disastrous signing - just that it's a risky one given the large amount of cash involved

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