That aside though, regardless of who you (we) prefer, even you must be able to see that no matter which way you look at it, there is very little between their 2 respective records this season. Certainly not enough difference to condemn one man whilst hailing the other as a hero and saviour.
Who said I hailed Kenny as a hero and saviour? When will you stop inventing arguments I'm supposed to have made? I fairly clearly said that, if one used an actually "fair" comparison, at the stage Kenny is at we were happy to keep Hodgson, therefore we should be happy to keep Kenny, who has a slightly better record. Add to this the fact that Kenny "gets" Liverpool, and is an ambassador for LFC and its players off the pitch (where Roy was his antithesis in the media by criticizing the players and alienating the fans by talking up every other club), and you have a man who is far more suited to the role. But, no, you refuse to actually look at the "overall picture" despite using it as a backdrop for your argument. How can your opinion have any weight when the conclusions that lead you to it are based on half-truths?
If we're talking about league games only, why not throw Roy's 5 or 6 unbeaten games as West Brom manager into the equation? I bet he'd come out on top in league games then, despite managing relegation fodder.
Would he? Roy's first 5 league with WBA: W2 D3 = 9 points.
Kenny's first 5 league: W3 D1 L1 = 10 points. Kenny still "wins", and over such a small game sample any difference is marked (particularly since 3 of Kenny's games were away [including two sides who had beaten Hodgson at Anfield, with a team that was 1-2-7 on the road], and all 5 of his games in the sample are within 19 days). You put too much value on being unbeaten - Roy's strength (which in the long term is vital to a mid-lower table side) - and not enough in winning more games - Kenny's strength (which in the long term is vital to a top table side). So which level of club do you support? Most of us support LFC, and most of us understand that Roy was the wrong man for the job in every department, *and* his results were not good enough - hence the condemnation. Kenny is only (marginally) lacking results (had he beaten WBA for eg he'd almost be on a par with Rafa, who was the best we had for 20 years), and he only has half a team to do it with - hence the willingness to give him more time. For example, how many games has Gerrard (the captain, and therefore technically our most influential player) actually played for Dalglish? 6? One of which was only 25 mins in the FA Cup.
Plus he had it tougher at LFC than Kenny - we all love the king but Roy was never accepted AND he had to work with those 2 american buffons whilst the club's morale was at an all time low.
Morale was certainly low when Roy started, but maybe you forgot how everyone was saying how much better the club felt in the wake of Rafa leaving? So having restored team morale to some degree without needing to kick a ball, he then set it far lower by December (particularly by losing to Wolves at Anfield and his subsequent rant) after he'd had 5 months to show us what a great manager he was at a top football club. The fans did not immediately "take" to him, yes, but he wanted 10 EPL games to prove himself, and he used them to have us visit the relegation zone ffs. How will you get the fans on your side if you do that? Chris Hughton got sacked despite leading Newcastle to promotion and having his side spend less time in the relegation zone than Hodgson did with Liverpool, and he didn't get sacked because of the fans (who you might have forgotten are the foundation of a club). If the fans don't like you you have to try win them over. Roy did not even try; instead he complained about us.
Look, I'm happy to accept that Kenny has not lit up the sky (having not once claimed he did, though it is noteworthy that his 11 game league run is top 4 quality *despite* losing at WBA), but then one would hope that you'd accept that without Agger, Kelly, and Gerrard (and Suarez in the EL) we lack the quality to get the results you think we deserve. Outside skepticism from the fans and a hangover during the club sale period, Roy had the whole pack and the opportunity to impress, yet he played poorly. By comparison, Kenny's doing alright with the average hand he's been dealt, and has got the fans back onside. I struggle to see how you consider the efforts of these two men to be similar.
But seriously Carh, if you think kenny is not supperior to hodgsons record than who would you employ as a manager beginning of the season?