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Originally Posted By: Acari
That's right mate. You've got me down to a T! Insecure, lazy & incapable. You've definately put me in my place & won the arguement. Feel better? Good. Next...


You didn't provide any argument. All you did was paste another person's post.

Quote from yourself: "(now you see why I don't post much)."

I really do.

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Originally Posted By: Fowler78
You didn't provide any argument. All you did was paste another person's post.

Quote from yourself: "(now you see why I don't post much)."

I really do.


Class act! Next...


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its true bentitez divides the fans into for and against (although personnally i am a fan of benitez now a fan of kenny htough)

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Originally Posted By: Rafarendum
Fowler I wish you would quote someone else in place of your posts, because every post you've written lately seems to be dripping with attitude, arrogance, and is attacking or accusing people of things which you've essentially made up.

You talk about people making a point, but you haven't made one. Or to be more precise, you made a point that was extremely weak and not even that relevant i.e. a player who Benitez was shipping out, didn't like Benitez much and demonstrated sour grapes, so therefore Benitez has a problem.


Every post lately? Which exactly? Whom did I attack yesterday or the day before that or the day before that or the day before that? Can you back that up?

What have I made up exactly? Did Acari not use a post by someone else to make a point for him rather than making the point using his own words and thoughts? Did I make that up Rafarendum? Or is this all about you trying to back up a fellow pro-rafa poster, pray tell? If someone is going to post something as sarcasically pro-Rafa as that, then it's there to put to the test which I did with the case of Benayoun.

You've obviously not read my posts, and have just cherry picked the last few, because if you HAD read them you'd see I've made many points for and against Benitez. Praising him for his talent with youth, saying he loves the club, and also critisising him for being vague and not specifying the mistakes he made which is a half-measure and isn't actually admitting anything at all.

I've provided quotes to my points too where other people have not.

As for Benayoun, I doubt he fell out with Benitez for no reason. According to Benayoun it was the way Benitez told him he was selling him that was the last straw for him.

He explained: "Benitez pulled me to one side after training and said: 'You will not be in the squad for this game. Thank you for your three years of service, now you can call your agent to do a deal with another club."

Hardly sour grapes, I think any player would be unhappy being treated this way. And if anything, Benayoun has been a good professional during his career. He wouldn't say it if it were not at least partially true.

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Originally Posted By: Rafarendum
I meant lately as in today. Haven't noticed you posting like this before, so I asked if you've had a bad day.

You want me to back it up? So you post that someone misunderstands what admitting mistakes means, and that Rafa hasn't done that. I don't think anyone misunderstands here, it's just your interpretation that he hasn't.

You say because he is non-specific, but then when someone does point out specific things like tactics or signings, you say, that is not specific enough for you. It seems you fail to understand that there is a line of decency and respect amongst professionals. For an example, take a look at Carragher's commments after the Chelsea game about Hodgson. It's obvious to everyone under the sun, that Kenny is doing a much better job right now, and Hodgson wasn't up to it. Carra doesn't criticise Hodgson one bit. Is he non-specific, or is he just respectful?

Now Benitez said he made mistakes with signings. Do you think he should disrespect fellow professionals liek Dossena or Robbie Keane or Aquilani, by saying that it was a mistake to sign them? I think that would be wrong, and that he shouldn't say specifically who was a mistake.

Then someone posts a quote which Thundyr mentioned, and I also said was a good post. Acari then posts "in case you're all wondering, because it took me time to find the post, here it is" which is quite reasonable. You then reacted to that by attacking him for using someone else's post to make a point for him (note this is you making things up, because Acari at that point didn't say his point was the same as the post, he simply posted something others had mentioned), and for this you attacked him. Called him sad, the implication is also that he can't post for himself. The irony of course is that you called it sad to use someone else's words to make a point, but of course that's exactly what you then did with Benayoun's words, without realising that there is nothing wrong with that.

You then call this person insecure because they put a P.S. at the end?! I'll have to inform all people that put P.S.'s on the end of letters, banks givernments etc, that they're all now insecure. You also then hinted acari was either too lazy or incapable of making a point well.

Another person entirely points out that Rafa brought Kenny to the club, and what does he get for his troubles? His post (or he) is called "desperate" and "weak". Rafa did indeed bring kenny back, which you later on say "It is not the truth" again making things up, and everyone else to you is apparently unable to back things up. Despite the fact that they often have backed things up, it's just not good enough for you. Other people, apparently, "don't provide any argument at all", and then you take another shot at someone about why they don't post at all.

It is any wonder why I found your last few posts dripping with bile and arrogance.



Honestly can't be bothered with this as most of it's too long-winded and quite frankly none of your business as I never addressed you in any of my posts so I don't know why you are even getting involved.

I'm not going over everything I've said again as it stands for itself, if you interpret it differently, so be it.

If someone admits they've made mistakes, what is the question a person is bound to ask? What mistakes? Benitez didn't address what mistakes he was talking about so it was therefore a waste of time if he can't specify where and when he made those mistakes. Again, I liken it to apologising without telling anyone exactly what you are apologising for. It's absolute nonsense, and for the pro-Rafa crowd it's always good enough, not for me it isn't. He made some major blunders and isn't man enough to own up to them as Houllier did.

The difference on your Carragher point, is that he's still attatched to a club. Benitez is not, he's a free agent. He can speak his mind, but as usual he resorted to half-measures and not once admitted he was in the wrong. That was a very recent interview, asking about his Liverpool career, yet for all his words he said basically nothing and no-one was any the wiser.

Using another posters words in which he gives opinions to back up your own and others pro-Rafa slant and using quotes from people in the game of football to back up and validify YOUR OWN opinion are two completely different things. If someone is going to post a pro-rafa rant as sickingly sarcastic as that, then it's there to be shot down, in full or in part at my leisure. I'm very sure a completely sarcastic anti-Rafa post would be now wouldn't it.

As for the P.S, in the context of things it was insecure. It didn't need justification as I wasn't telling him he shouldn't post it which he assumed I was hence the PS, but that he should post his own opinions and not show off someone else's just to add credibility to Benitez. I saw no evidence of Acari making any lengthy posts on the subject of Benitez, other than someone else's post, which is why I called him incapable. If anything I was trying to get him to express his own opinions on the matter, which he did in short, very short, and provided no backup of any kind for his opinion on Benitez being the sole person to get Kenny to the club, which I'll address next.

Next, the point about Rafa brining Kenny to the club. I again provided a source in the form of a quote to show that it was a joint venture to bring him here, NOT solely Benitez's action. So why then should Benitez claim credit for this? Again if you are going to post an opinion stated as fact without even a shread of evidence to back it up, then I will call you on it. And that's exactly what I did with the friend you are so intent to defend. He offered nothing in terms of quotes or evidence, he gave an opinion as a fact, which it was not, that is not 'making things up' that is the truth and it needs be shot down because there's too many people using things to put Benitez in a good light whilst ignoring the other side of the story. Purslow had as much input and say into brining Kenny to the club as Benitez did. But of course Purslow according to another poster is 'that lying c*nt cecil' and therefore couldn't possibly have been involved in bringing Kenny to the club. Nope it was ALL Rafa. Well that just isn't the case and there's no evidence to suggest it was. It was mutual. That is, credit shared between 2 people.

Anyway I'm done here. I asume Acari is an adult, I'm sure he doesn't need you acting like his big brother, he can, and has answered for himself, in his own way.

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Originally Posted By: Fowler78
Originally Posted By: Legend

Its the truth though,desperation would be using any quotes from that lying c*nt cecil to justify any arguments.


No it's not the truth, hence why you can't provide anything to back it up.


Read Kennys book,educate yourself,it will benefit you.

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Originally Posted By: Legend

Its the truth though,desperation would be using any quotes from that lying c*nt cecil to justify any arguments.


No it's not the truth, hence why you can't provide anything to back it up.


Read Kennys book,educate yourself,it will benefit you.


I've read it, so take your sarcastic 'educate yourself' and shove it.

Was he there in the meeting between Purslow and Benitez? No. Purslow was just as involved to bring Kenny to the club. But then Purslow is a like a comic-book villain to a lot of Liverpool fans I guess so he just has to be lying right. Purslow was involved in bringing Kenny to the club. I know that may be hard for you to accept but it's a fact. Benitez did not act alone.

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Why no mention of cecil in his book then,specifically thanking Rafa for letting him return when other managers would have felt intimidated over that decision?

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Originally Posted By: Legend
Why no mention of cecil in his book then,specifically thanking Rafa for letting him return when other managers would have felt intimidated over that decision?


Only Kenny can answer that. When do board members or managing directors get credit? hardly ever. Do staff members get credit for winning the champions league? No the manager does. It goes in his name. But my point is that Purslow was involved, at the very least in the joint idea of bringing him here.

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You need help - they're called posts for a reason. If we wanted essays the button would say 'New Essays'

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