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Originally Posted By: Legend
Rubbish,you have admitted on numerous occasions that this club has been in decline for 20 years so why blame Rafa for been out of the title race when you are saying we shouldnt even be in it?
And Grabiner sorted out the real crooks in court remember.
Listen I dont expect Liverpool to be winning leagues I am not saying that, what I am saying is that if your manager has spent 170 million pound on players during his time you should still be in contention longer than before xmas before you fall away, sometimes we were out of it in September and a few October's...

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Your not expecting to challenge for the league but want to slate the manager for not doing it anyway?£170m over 6 seasons,roughly £28m a season,city have just spent £280m in 18 months to challenge,and with a weaker chelsea and arsenal to aid them.
You have no idea how well Rafa done for us.Not the prettiest but we were fuc*ing hard to beat and could be proud of our team.

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Rafa wasted a hell of a lot of cash in his time as did Houllier.

The fact is and we have to accept this that City Utd Arsenal Spurs are better than us and there finances will continue to grow. Gooners have now finished paying off there stadium, spurs have always had good cash flow, chelsea have roman and city have the oil money. Utd may be in tons of debt but they have 70k stadium and a massive global fan base.

I worry about my club a lot, because the lower we keep falling the more difficult it is to get these players. Also the style of football we have been treated to over the last few seasons has been appalling.

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Originally Posted By: Legend
Your not expecting to challenge for the league but want to slate the manager for not doing it anyway?£170m over 6 seasons,roughly £28m a season,city have just spent £280m in 18 months to challenge,and with a weaker chelsea and arsenal to aid them.
You have no idea how well Rafa done for us.Not the prettiest but we were fuc*ing hard to beat and could be proud of our team.


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Liverpool under Rafa were the team in europe that non of the teams wanted to be drawn against... what does that tell you?

thats just common sense.


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Fiorentina Lyon sure eenjoyed playing us in Europe. Rafa was a lucky manager I feel. In all honesty how Lucky where we to win those trophys under him.Never again will you see 2 finals like that

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Originally Posted By: Stanley Park
Whether we are a global brand does not matter what matters is generating revenues. If your fans don't spend money then its useless as an asset. But its not just Liverpool the game is slowing down in terms of its appeal both international and club football. At the same down as revenues are decreasing operating costs driven by players wages (abd the latest crazy increases) allied with incresed capital costs (raw material) and increased funding costs (interest on th way up) mean its not the best time to invest heaviliy in a high risk business like a football club. So the original poster has a point but its not all plain sailing. The time to do this was 5 or 10 years ago but thats gone now we are we where we are. Its very worrying for the LFC an though because with all the risk we have no choice now but invest big very big alse we are finished as a top 4 club.


You do make some valid points. Liverpool FC created a whole generation of fans from 70's and 80's and that passion is still alive and well today. A great majority of fans, especially here in Asia, are Liverpool fans who pay a pretty penny to watch EPL matches on cable. In Singapore where I live, the local broadcaster who won the tender for this season paid a whopping 400 over million dollars for rights. This in a country of just under 4 million in population. Let's consider this for a moment, what if the team you support, for example Liverpool FC were to get relegated, I think most fans would simply stop subscribing, of course this may very well apply to utd fans as well. Because of sheer fan base, this would directly impact the value of the EPL and therefore profits. Would it not be wiser to have a system where the more successful teams get a bigger share of these massive proceeds say based on number of titles won, league, champion’s league etc, based, for example, on a point system. By saying this, I don't mean go the way of La Liga which permits the clubs to negotiate their own deals privately with the broadcasting companies without sharing revenue, with the likes of Real and Barcelona who garner much larger audiences which effectively allows them to demand around a 50% share of the cash designated for the whole league. This is a disaster waiting to happen. I am talking about a fairer system which not just benefits the already fat cows at the F.A. alone but the talent that brings the business in, clubs such as Liverpool F.C. for example. You can built a new Stadium and see tickets prices go higher and higher, that's about all the direct revenue the club will make with fans in England bled dry trying to carry the club all by themselves.


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i will agree with all you said but i would add this, ive said it before although not in depth it would take too long, but football was once run in relevant terms on much less than the clubs are getting now, i think this bubble of money go round will one day burst and all the clubs will be left with is raw hardcore fans be it local or oots who knows, its then the club will plod along doing what it has always done and that it strive for success! it will always be loved by those who matter and the only difference will be the fans who stick with it will be the ones who deserve the club as true loyal fans, i dont know when? maybe when the rich owners get bored or it simply doesnt yield profits anymore! i will be one of those fans that stays no matter what


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Originally Posted By: Dingo
Liverpool under Rafa were the team in europe that non of the teams wanted to be drawn against... what does that tell you?

thats just common sense.
Tell's you we were decent in Europe but sh*t in the league by my reckoning...

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well seeing that you want to move into the here and now,then you will appreciate that the premier league is bought and not won nowadays,so cue man sh1tty,they are the richest at the moment.

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