Thanks to Turkey and condoned by Trump (big mouth but small balls if any)

Abandoning the Kurds is a disgrace, however the U.S have a history of this.Disgraceful.

Spot on lumbs.

Moan when they interfere, moan when they go home.

And there's the problem. They interfere and leave an almighty mess behind them then go home.

As far as I understand they went to help rid them of ISIS. The problem wasn�t if their making and what they went to do is done. Should they have just let the Kurds try and fight them back? Is it the US�s responsibility to rebuild Syria after Al Assad, ISIS etc. destroyed it? Not really sure what you want from them?

To mind their own business.

So they should�ve let ISIS run wild out there? I�d suggest it�s more damned if they do damned if they don�t.

This wasn�t a problem of their making and have helped get rid of one of the nastiest group of mentalists there�s been yet still you moan. Just an excuse to have a go.

and how exactly did ISIS come into existence?

ISIS came into existence because of the illegal war Bush and Blair started in Iraq, when the Saddam regime was defeated there were a lot of armed Sunni soldiers who were left behind and were not integrated in the US backed government. They ended up creating ISIS.

Turkey/Erdogan does not want powerful Kurds and he basically told Trump he was moving in and didn't want US troops to get involved. For whatever reasons Trump just bent. Now let's see what Europe including UK does when its ISIS nationals return, would be interesting. The US will be much less impacted so Europe should have stepped in, but then they rely too much on the US for their army. That's why a European army would have made sense. They understand now that they cannot keep on relying on US. The Kurds will just be the collateral damage but nothing new there

Ah I wondered when that old chestnut would come out to try and cover your unbridled hypocrisy.

But as vish said, your beloved Labour Party in conjunction with president Bush helped start it if that�s what you want to hear?

Just an excuse to moan unfortunately.

Oh and no condemnation of the aggressors here? Surprise surprise.

Very strange what Trump did here but no real surprise. And all for bringing back something like 50 troops?

Ah the old chestnut that the west played a huge role in creating this mess. That old chestnut which is actually a fact. But that is britain in 2019. If you use a fact based argument you are just moaning.

Do you honestly think anyone on here supports ISIS?

Britain and the west played its part no doubt but were not solely to blame. You seem to be forgetting that the mess in Syria was nothing to do with the west (I�m sure the far left lunatic will be along to claim it was soon) yet you want the US to clean up its mess??

Well you don�t seem too happy that the US and the west helped rid the world of them. You�re also not condemning the reckless invasion of Syria by Turkey? Imagine if it was a western invasion. Imagine the hand wringing and condemnation.

Ah so the fact that we are not solely to blame makes it alright then. Tell me who else was searching for weapons of mass destruction?

Who gave Turkey the green light to invade Syria.

You still happy with the USA?

Asked whether he was concerned about ISIS fighters fleeing Kurdish custody and becoming a threat elsewhere, Trump said during a press conference on Wednesday: �Well they�re going to be escaping to Europe. That's where they want to go, they want to go back to their homes.�

Dont think Turkey would have dared to kill a single US soldier, let alone 50. Maybe this is what they threatened Trump with, or begged him, who knows.

I�m not sure what you�re on about really but what is there that the US should make right there? They didn�t start that conflict but helped get rid of a horrible, nasty terrorist group. They did what they set out to do and are now doing what most hand wringers would want them too. I�m sure if they stayed you�d have moaned. I�m sure if they'd not gone you�d have moaned too.

Where did I say I was happy with them? For the sake of bringing 50 odd soldiers home I don�t see why they couldn�t have stayed. At least it was keeping the Turkish out. Still no condemning them I see.

All "the west is evil" merchants one would have been happy the evil USA sent its troops home. Maybe this is a reminder to those dolts why we need to be selectively involved at times

However my view is trump was unwise and reckless and turkey potentially confronting Iran, Syria and Russia could be very dangerous. But ultimately the fault is the countries in the region not the USA for not standing between them. It also shows a "do nothing" policy by the west is highly dangerous

ISIS will hurt Europe more than the US, about time Europe did something about it instead of always expecting the US to sort things out.

I totally agree Vish

Europe can only do something if the handwringing lefties allow it or they�ll bedemonised for ever.

I assignment you read the following

"Do you honestly think anyone on here supports ISIS".

But then again this is Koptalk.

Not sure what that means to be honest? If you want my honest answer to that question then I don�t know. ISIS have after all taken on the evil west so maybe there are some in here who don�t mind them?

So, to use your words, I assignment you read the following.

No condemnation of Turkey for their actions?

UN should come in and protect the kurds, they always get left to rot by the west..allies without oil or money treatment

Trump thinks its ok to abandon the kurds cause they didn't help them on D-Day ..jesus christ

The UN has no proper army and by the time they come, it will be too late.

i know

Of all the idiotic things he�s said that has to top them all.

Muslim fundamentalism started in the 1930's and really started to take off in the 1990's the latest loon stabbing people in Manchester is apparently Manchester born and bred it's a culture war and one that's many hundreds of years old just the sort of thing right up your street

Oh dear. Stay off the drink Stan.

You must feel quite smug shaggy when comparing yourself against Islamic fundmentalism whereas you are fighting the relatively recent battles of the 16th century they are a good thousand years behind you fighting the battles of the 6th century

Oh dear, hangover annoying you this morning.

And which battles are you fighting if I may ask, looks to me that yours are a bit more recent.

To respect the biggest democratic vote in British history if that's all right with you?

a losing battle it seems..perhaps if the tories were not so ignorant and dumb u could have won ur battle.

Yeah because the Tory�s are the only ignorant one. You�d know all about ignorance I suppose.

The DUP are not happy with BoJo's proposed solution to the border problem.

However it is a most welcome and sensible u-turn by Bojo.

You may finally get your Brexit after all.

Parliament will still vote down anything that BoJo brings to the table.

Exactly no deal no matter how good will be acceptable to large parts of parliament who simply don't accept that the Democractic votes of ordinary members of the public matter. However I have great confidence in buffoon boris and the British public when the anti democracts allow an election

I don�t think they�ll allow an election either. They know that Boris is way ahead in the polls so won�t want to risk it. They�re holding us all to random basically until they get what they want.

Watch Jeff Taylor on utube he comes up with some gems about what they are up to.

You also had great confidence in May, so happy were you with the new cabinet taking over from Cameron. There is always hope in your heart when it comes to Brexit, great.

When the anti democrats allow an election.

Mad sentence even by your standards.

We have an opposition party that wants to stop an election being held that is mad by any standard and something in all my years I have never witnessed

You know fine well why the opposition won't have an election.

Your PM cannot be trusted.

That is mad by any standard

It because they know they won�t win. Simple as that. As I�ve said before, if they can rush the surrender bill through they could�ve done the same to make sure the election date couldn�t be changed.

They�re all running scared so are doing what they�re doing for their own good not the country�s.

The polls show if Johnson delivers brexit by 31st oct he will win a clear majority maybe as many as 140 seats if not delivered then brexit party takes over and likely a hung parliament with potentially a Corbyn minority government

That's why they are stopping an election the real reason.

The majority of polls also say that remain has a majority now, should there be a referendum on the negotiated deal vs remain then?

Why not ? Then we can have another vote after that have the best of three

So voting on a final deal because your MPs cannot decide is the same as the first referendum question? I think Brexiters are rather afraid to lose the unexpected win.

I don't speak for the Britain but I live in Britain

My feeling every day is the British people are sick of brexit whether they voted leave or remain. I simply don't think the public have the will or the energy to spend the next 12 months on a second referendum a referendum that would cause even more division

Industry is also begging for certainty they don't care whether we get a deal or not they just want to know what's happening to plan

Never say never but a second referendum does not look likely at the moment and if it did occur it would have a low turnout due to brexit fatigue and many who would simply say voting is a waste of time because if we give the wrong answer to the establishment it will be ignored

And let's say following a small turn out we vote marginally to remain this time does anyone seriously think that would be accepted by the public ?

Really, I though industry/business want to avoid a no deal at any cost, but I might be mistaken as I get British news from Sky mainly

You are mistaken business needs to plan whatever the circumstances good or bad what they cannot deal with is not knowing

Don't think any business want bad circumstances, the bad uncertainly is mainly because of expecting the worst. If the uncertainty is about things getting better, then there are no issues. Let's say it was the reverse and a particular country was negotiating to get in the EU, then despite the uncertainty the feeling would be better

You are assuming bad circumstances is leaving the EU

The rest of the world seems to manage and I don't accept leaving the EU is bad and neither do the majority of British voters when they were asked

Great, I wonder why you are still in then

You are absolutely correct. People living in the real world, particularly those in business, know how catastrophic a No Deal Brexit is going to be.

business is not some homogenous group who all think the same thing. Its a massive variety of opinions and needs for some no deal would be a disaster for some a great opportunity for 90% of UK business it would have no impact at all as most businesses trade internally or with countries outside the EU. However all businesses need certainty and to plan ahead

The �ONLY� Businesses worried about Brexit are the ones who have a monopoly and are currently fleecing the UK public. Brexit was always about choices and more competition that drives costs down for the UK people. Without the EU�s meddling and restrictions, raw materials can be sought the world over and our Businesses can trade everywhere where there is a need for their product or services.

Oh dear

Nice work mate.

I hope certain members can finally take this on board.

Why oh dear ? He is right the EU is a protectionist bloc

Ok then, get ready for dumping from countries like China

Exactly, and the uk is giving up the protection

We have not left the EU yet our undemocractic remain dominated parliament have not give up yet albeit they are on the back foot the supposedly buffoon boris has outwitted the lot of them within weeks not bad for a buffoon

However if we do leave I have faith in Britain and the British people. It seems our friend from the Indian Ocean and the east coast of Ireland don't have faith in Britain

Oh well Britain have to try to live with that huge disappointment

The population of Britain will be elated when they learn that "Stan from Koptalk" has faith in them.

Next Stop: The Sunny Uplands.

Just glad, we in the 6 counties have managed to avoid your leap into the unknown.

The british people wont give a stuff what I think theres 65 million of us and we think all kinds. I can only speak for myself I have faith in the british nation

Well Stan that is all you need.

Each to their own.

exactly which is why for the last 40 years I have eased myself to sleep each night by humming rule Britainia

Faith in what exactly, that British people will work harder and will become smarter out of the EU? Could you please share how this will happen, haven't read anywhere how your econony will improve outside the EU? Thanking you in advance

Stan thinks Queen Vic's still on the throne...British people will work harder.

So re-colonisation and slave trade will be back then? The Empire will strike back, cannot wait to see that. In the mean time let's watch the Empires parliament on Saturday