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Posted By: Stanley Park England - 30/06/21 01:08 PM
We are the greatest team ever in the history of football

Eat our dust
Posted By: The Kop Prophet Re: England - 30/06/21 10:18 PM
Germany win was a shock... thought for sure we'd balls that up.
Posted By: Stanley Park Re: England - 01/07/21 07:54 AM
Every England fan knows disappointment is just around the corner it�s the way it is
Posted By: EnergisedReds Re: England - 01/07/21 09:54 AM
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Every England fan knows disappointment is just around the corner it�s the way it is


With the teams England has to play, the final is a minimum, now or never
Posted By: ecnirp98 Re: England - 01/07/21 12:32 PM
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Every England fan knows disappointment is just around the corner it�s the way it is


With the teams England has to play, the final is a minimum, now or never


and that is when England generally fail, look at Iceland last time!

With the squad they have, they should make the final, then it is on the day and who they play, they will never have a better chance with the way the draw has gone.
Posted By: Pickles Re: England - 01/07/21 09:33 PM
I was surprised at Germany they were insipid.

Southgate will play it safe to The Final where we will no doubt get beat by either Belgium or Italy.

Better that he ditches that god awful midfield and plays attack minded now and gets the creative players like Grealish in to create chances for our attack. The only way England wins this tourney if Kane and the kid in midfield from west ham gets injured and Southgate is forced to play the likes of Foden and Sancho.
Posted By: Snakeye Re: England - 01/07/21 10:57 PM
There is no excitement watching England, its uber defensive and stars like Sancho, Foden, Bellingham, are not playing. I also find it hard to believe that Rice and Philips are better than Henderson which is obviously good for us if he is resting but strange at the same time. I've enjoyed most of the games but when England play its boring.
Posted By: EnergisedReds Re: England - 02/07/21 04:02 AM
Originally Posted By Snakeye
There is no excitement watching England, its uber defensive and stars like Sancho, Foden, Bellingham, are not playing. I also find it hard to believe that Rice and Philips are better than Henderson which is obviously good for us if he is resting but strange at the same time. I've enjoyed most of the games but when England play its boring.


Better be boring and win than exciting and lose, not that I am an England fan but they have a huge chance to get to the final. O like Italy but it's quite open with both De Bruyn and Eden out injured
Posted By: kernowred Re: England - 02/07/21 06:43 AM
i hope they get beat in every game they play, i cant stand the national team and all the over hyped bull [oops] that goes with it. they beat the worst Germany side in 30 years. and now they play the lowest qualifying 3rd place team. hopefully they get knocked out soon and this madness can stop.
Posted By: Snakeye Re: England - 03/07/21 11:32 PM
Henderson get in!
Posted By: EnergisedReds Re: England - 04/07/21 03:40 AM
Originally Posted By Snakeye
Henderson get in!


And scores
Posted By: Stanley Park Re: England - 04/07/21 12:55 PM
I don�t want to tempt fate but it�s looking very positive Denmark won�t be easy thought but get to the final at Wembley against anyone and I fancy us
Posted By: Snakeye Re: England - 08/07/21 06:29 AM
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I don�t want to tempt fate but it�s looking very positive Denmark won�t be easy thought but get to the final at Wembley against anyone and I fancy us


The penalty was harsh on Denmark. It was very soft. Italy are favorites for the final imo.
Posted By: EnergisedReds Re: England - 08/07/21 02:23 PM
Originally Posted By Snakeye
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I don�t want to tempt fate but it�s looking very positive Denmark won�t be easy thought but get to the final at Wembley against anyone and I fancy us


The penalty was harsh on Denmark. It was very soft. Italy are favorites for the final imo.


I think England has better players but Italy a better team/manager, so not very easy to call
Posted By: Stanley Park Re: England - 08/07/21 06:07 PM
It�s going to be very evenly matched but I fancy England with home advantage and the very strong squad and options we have.
Posted By: EnergisedReds Re: England - 10/07/21 12:45 PM
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
It�s going to be very evenly matched but I fancy England with home advantage and the very strong squad and options we have.


You fancy or you hope? Home is not always an advantage, you know?
Posted By: Stanley Park Re: England - 10/07/21 07:45 PM
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
It�s going to be very evenly matched but I fancy England with home advantage and the very strong squad and options we have.


You fancy or you hope? Home is not always an advantage, you know?


I hope and pray
Posted By: EnergisedReds Re: England - 11/07/21 03:09 PM
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
It�s going to be very evenly matched but I fancy England with home advantage and the very strong squad and options we have.


You fancy or you hope? Home is not always an advantage, you know?


I hope and pray


I hope and think Italy will win, they deserve it more as well after knocking out both Spain and Belgium. England hasn't faced any top team except a struggling Germany
Posted By: Stanley Park Re: England - 11/07/21 04:18 PM
Well we are about to find out
Posted By: Pickles Re: England - 11/07/21 04:46 PM
I just hope it's a decent game of football and not a dour defensive war of attrition.

We've got this far, get at Italy early and dictate the tempo of the game.

3 v 1 to England if we play to our attacking strengths.
Posted By: Pickles Re: England - 11/07/21 10:54 PM
Predictable result in the end bottling it on pens.

England had Italy on the ropes the first 15 mins then tried to play for a 1 nil win. Italy were not that great, Chiesa was their shining light...great player. Southgate's choice to go defensive was the deciding factor, had he chose to change things up when Italy started 2nd half bombarding us, it would have been a different result.

Sterling let himself down not taking a pen. It was the wrong decision bringing Rashford and Sancho on just to take pens when they were ice cold as far as intensity of the game play.
Always amazes me how defensive players seem to take pens before strikers/forwards, even though Maguire scored he should not have been taking a pen before the likes of Sterling.

Now back to Boris shutting the Country down again, how dare you minions have fun whilst the Deep State are taking over the world.
Back to obeying and wearing your masks and no holidays abroad this year!
Posted By: elimmel Re: England - 12/07/21 02:36 AM
pen lineup was a strange one. Youngster Saka as 5th? too much pressure for a young lad. your best pen taker should be 3rd or 5th. Hendo, Stirling and even Grealish should've been in as well.
Southgate blew it right at the final hurdle.
Posted By: EnergisedReds Re: England - 12/07/21 04:12 AM
Originally Posted By Pickles
I just hope it's a decent game of football and not a dour defensive war of attrition.

We've got this far, get at Italy early and dictate the tempo of the game.

3 v 1 to England if we play to our attacking strengths.



England got at Italy early and then...just defended. Anyway, getting closer, semi final, lost final...who knows, maybe SP will see them lift the cup one day
Posted By: jim_beam Re: England - 12/07/21 07:40 AM
A great tournament for England and definately the most assured I've ever seen them. They need to take it and make sure they keep getting to semi finals. All the top teams loose finals but the more you get the there you will probably win 50% of the time, Englands problem has just been a crazy lack of consistency spread over such a long time but this might just be a springboard for you lot.

To the actual game I thought England played really well and didn't let themselves down, had Italy on the ropes for large parts of the game.

When scoring so early on and being completely on top for the first half you would like to think you could have given yourselves 2 goal cushion.

Grealish and Sancho should have come on smack bang on extra time and had 30 minutes to work with, you were the better team in extra time and should have just gone Sh*t or bust in extra time, much better than going out on penalties.
Posted By: ecnirp98 Re: England - 12/07/21 12:56 PM
Originally Posted By elimmel
pen lineup was a strange one. Youngster Saka as 5th? too much pressure for a young lad. your best pen taker should be 3rd or 5th. Hendo, Stirling and even Grealish should've been in as well.
Southgate blew it right at the final hurdle.


I prefer the best penalty takers going first, as if they take later on, they may not even get a penalty if the earlier (non specialist penalty takers miss).

Saka should not have been taking a penalty when the likes of Sterling & Grealish are on the pitch, experience counts allot in penalties.
Posted By: Stanley Park Re: England - 12/07/21 04:14 PM
Scoring early actually hurt us Southgate allowed Italy to attack us while we sat back and invited them on. Sancho and rashford were cold for penalties and saka too young. But we lost (and deserved to lose) due to southgates negatively totally gutted we will never have a better chance to win a major honour Italy were well beatable with the right mindset
Posted By: EnergisedReds Re: England - 12/07/21 05:21 PM
Originally Posted By jim_beam
A great tournament for England and definately the most assured I've ever seen them. They need to take it and make sure they keep getting to semi finals. All the top teams loose finals but the more you get the there you will probably win 50% of the time, Englands problem has just been a crazy lack of consistency spread over such a long time but this might just be a springboard for you lot.

To the actual game I thought England played really well and didn't let themselves down, had Italy on the ropes for large parts of the game.

When scoring so early on and being completely on top for the first half you would like to think you could have given yourselves 2 goal cushion.

Grealish and Sancho should have come on smack bang on extra time and had 30 minutes to work with, you were the better team in extra time and should have just gone Sh*t or bust in extra time, much better than going out on penalties.


England played well? No they just defended after scoring early and yes, they probably had the better squad but Italy the better manager
Posted By: Pickles Re: England - 12/07/21 08:46 PM
I pretty much called it for how it would go...defensive minded and get to Final where we get beaten by Belguim / Italy.

Trying this in Qatar, will ensure an early plane ride home.

If we want to have a shot in Qatar we should ditch Southgate and bring somebody in with far more technical nous. Utilize this unusual camaraderie before it's gone. Although I have my own take on this being because of COVID prison sentence and the real virus sweeping the globe = virtue signaling.
Posted By: Snakeye Re: England - 12/07/21 10:38 PM
No experience in penalty takers was a joke. Only Kane was a regular taker. The rest of them I've never seen them take penalty for their clubs. I would have chosen Kane, Trippier, Henderson, Walker and Sterling. Players we have actually seen take penalties. Southgate should of brought attacking players much earlier to kill the game and avoid penalties if they are that nervous about taking them. Congratulations to Italy they deserved the win, they were fantastic throughout the tournament.
Posted By: ecnirp98 Re: England - 13/07/21 11:15 AM
Originally Posted By Snakeye
No experience in penalty takers was a joke. Only Kane was a regular taker. The rest of them I've never seen them take penalty for their clubs. I would have chosen Kane, Trippier, Henderson, Walker and Sterling. Players we have actually seen take penalties. Southgate should of brought attacking players much earlier to kill the game and avoid penalties if they are that nervous about taking them. Congratulations to Italy they deserved the win, they were fantastic throughout the tournament.


I don't think Henderson has taken any penalties at Liverpool? it was always Gerrard, Milner, now Salah, he took 1 for England pre-tournament he missed I think?

I agree about having experienced penalty takers to take the penalties if on the pitch, someone like Sterling has played well and score goals in the tournament, winning huge games for City, he should be taking penalties before the likes of Saka.

That's where decent management should step in and organise it, how can you go into a final, with a good possibility of penalties, having it in your mind as a manager an inexperienced 18 year old in his first PL season and first tournament is one of the main penalty takers for the national team???
Posted By: EnergisedReds Re: England - 13/07/21 02:37 PM
Originally Posted By Snakeye
No experience in penalty takers was a joke. Only Kane was a regular taker. The rest of them I've never seen them take penalty for their clubs. I would have chosen Kane, Trippier, Henderson, Walker and Sterling. Players we have actually seen take penalties. Southgate should of brought attacking players much earlier to kill the game and avoid penalties if they are that nervous about taking them. Congratulations to Italy they deserved the win, they were fantastic throughout the tournament.


Agree except the penalty part, nobody knows how a penalty shoot out will pan out, Platini, Baggio, Maradona and more recently Mbappe missed theirs
Posted By: The Kop Prophet Re: England - 14/07/21 09:58 PM
It was a carbon copy of the World Cup and Southgate's tactics backfire as soon as we come up against a good side. We did well to get by Germany but there was a lot of luck involved too. We would probably have gone out if Muller had buried his sitter. We beat a poor Ukraine side and got lucky again against a good Danish side. Once again we found ourselves in the weak half of the draw and avoided all the top ranked teams. Southgate was far too negative in the final- and tried to sit on a 1-0 lead from the third minute. Once Italy scored there was only one team going to win that final - and it was Croatia all over again. Yet again he was slow to react, made poor substitution choices, stuck with tired favourites, and added the calamitous penalty taker decision to his catalogue of errors. Pundits keep saying Southgate did well to get us to the final - but a proper manager would have won the thing. He's going to waste another generation of attacking talent. It will be no better in Qatar.
Posted By: EnergisedReds Re: England - 15/07/21 03:00 PM
Originally Posted By The Kop Prophet
It was a carbon copy of the World Cup and Southgate's tactics backfire as soon as we come up against a good side. We did well to get by Germany but there was a lot of luck involved too. We would probably have gone out if Muller had buried his sitter. We beat a poor Ukraine side and got lucky again against a good Danish side. Once again we found ourselves in the weak half of the draw and avoided all the top ranked teams. Southgate was far too negative in the final- and tried to sit on a 1-0 lead from the third minute. Once Italy scored there was only one team going to win that final - and it was Croatia all over again. Yet again he was slow to react, made poor substitution choices, stuck with tired favourites, and added the calamitous penalty taker decision to his catalogue of errors. Pundits keep saying Southgate did well to get us to the final - but a proper manager would have won the thing. He's going to waste another generation of attacking talent. It will be no better in Qatar.


I don't think a majority thought England would get to the final, so Southgate did better than expected, but you cannot compare him to Mancini who won the league in Italy and England. A better manager could have brought it home.
Posted By: Pickles Re: England - 16/07/21 05:20 PM
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
[/quote]I don't think a majority thought England would get to the final, so Southgate did better than expected, but you cannot compare him to Mancini who won the league in Italy and England. A better manager could have brought it home.


Agreed about the Manager part, but getting to The Final having pretty much home advantage all the way through was bare minimum expectation. Even Mike Bassett couldn't have failed to get this bunch of players to The Final.
Posted By: Pickles Re: England - 16/07/21 05:26 PM
Controversial suggestion for next England Manager, if we are settling on English...
Frank Lampard - did really well with Chelsea, considering they didn't really spend when they got banned from Europe. He brought through a load of kids from their Academy, who are doing well. He really should have got more credit for Chelsea winning this season's Champions League. I'm surprised somebody like Everton didn't give him a chance.
Posted By: EnergisedReds Re: England - 18/07/21 10:55 AM
Originally Posted By Pickles
Controversial suggestion for next England Manager, if we are settling on English...
Frank Lampard - did really well with Chelsea, considering they didn't really spend when they got banned from Europe. He brought through a load of kids from their Academy, who are doing well. He really should have got more credit for Chelsea winning this season's Champions League. I'm surprised somebody like Everton didn't give him a chance.


He really struggled in the season he was sacked and Tuchel showed the difference
Posted By: Stanley Park Re: England - 18/07/21 05:13 PM
Brendan Rogers although he probably wouldn�t want the job
Posted By: The Kop Prophet Re: England - 19/07/21 07:43 PM
It's way too early for Gerrard or Lampard. Let them cut their teeth at club management for a while. Rushing Southgate into international management without club experience could also be a factor in why he folds in big games.
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