Just hope all are well and we all survive this and our close ones.
Pretty surreal here in the UK everywhere in lockdown what I have noticed when going to the shops still people about but there is a strange silence social chatting seems to be very quiet. Went to the pub with friends for the last time last night probably for months maybe years maybe forever. Probably not advised but I felt better for it.
I don't feel scared just frustrated and irritated that we cant live our lives.
Things we used to take for granted shops without shelves stripped by idiots and god do you remember the days when we could go to a football match ? That seems another world now
Just hope all are well and we all survive this and our close ones.
Pretty surreal here in the UK everywhere in lockdown what I have noticed when going to the shops still people about but there is a strange silence social chatting seems to be very quiet. Went to the pub with friends for the last time last night probably for months maybe years maybe forever. Probably not advised but I felt better for it.
I don't feel scared just frustrated and irritated that we cant live our lives.
Things we used to take for granted shops without shelves stripped by idiots and god do you remember the days when we could go to a football match ? That seems another world now
2nd day of lockdown except for essential services including supermarkets, pharmacies and takeaways. As I work on logistics went to work yesterday to get things organised for next week, but still not clear who will be allowed to work and not
Where I live it's out in the sticks, fairly rural however it's only a matter of time before it "Officially" hits here...I say officially because I believe it's already here it's just that folks who are carrying it don't know it yet.
All restaurants are curb side pickup, grocery stores have implemented shorter opening and closing times to then clean the stores when closed. My local Doctors Office has set up triage tents in their parking lot.
Chain hardware DIY stores like Home Depot and Lowe's have shortened their opening and closing times. However folks just DON'T get it and are being complete idiots in carrying on as usual, believing they're invincible to this virus. They are a danger to themselves, their Families and all around them. They are not practicing social distancing, they are taking advantage of stores that are still open treating them as normal, picking up product putting it back down, coughing, sneezing, breathing on each other and the poor staff who are scared witless.
Now is not the time for painting the spare bedroom or hanging up blinds people...get a f..cuking grip!
Every day just brings more bad news. Hopefully the measures taken will work and we can all get back to normal. But normal looks a long way off and when it comes it will be a new normal if you know what I mean.
Very quiet in the local market today, only a few traders so very few customers. Got some nice cheese. Have to support these traders or they will stop coming. The one local supermarket is already showing signs of profiteering on bread and milk.
Overall we are OK here and nice to hear that people just want to connect to check everyone is OK. Social media can drive you crazy so it is nice to come here and talk to people who have something in common.
Third day of self isolating after the baby had a cold that run a fever. Probably over kill but you never know.
I just despair at the stick piling. I�m not sure how long people think they�ll be stuck in for and how many dumps they�ll go for? As I can�t go out we�ll do our usual online shop but who knows what will turn up. The selfish �I�m alright� mentality of these shoulder biting window lickers is beyond belief. They�d be a waste of a good bullet!
There�s enough to go round. Shops will remain open and food will still arrive.
Doing ok in Manchester, UK, been WFH for the last week, as I work in IT, so support systems around the world.
My son finished school yesterday for how long no one knows! ventured out yesterday for some fresh milk and was a strange atmosphere, lots of supermarkets limiting how many products people can buy, so hopefully that will put an end to the stockpiling.
Work closed down until 6th April. We need to phone in on April 3rd to see if we are going back or not. General feeling was that we won't be back for at least 4 weeks.
As we are all being made redundant July next year I have a feeling we might not be going back at all.
I stopped work voluntarily to stay with my wife and kids, I have taken them out once to see my family who live 15 minutes away, been out another time alone to do my shopping and thats it I the last 3 weeks. Stopped eating out and such, I wish people do the same. We have 52 cases so thank god it's not as bad but its still going up regardless and mostly from folks returning from overseas. We are in stage 2 of 4 stages outlined by our PM, only citizens are allowed back now, if we hit stage 3 everything will be closed up but I hope it doesn't come to that. I wish everyone a safe journey out of this difficult situation.
Toilet Paper Hoarders - Florida Man and Woman Caught Buying Up Entire New Stock From A Dollar Tree Store!
Crazy, but the shop should not allow 1 customer to buy all that, allot supermarkets etc are restricting how much of 1 product you can buy, which makes sense. Hopefully as people realise shops are re-stocking over the next few weeks, the panic buying will stop.
People won�t learn eccy. The selfishness of some is really showing at the moment and they�ll be off to stock up again as soon as they think they can squeeze any more in their deep freeze. There�s no need though as you said. Looks like Italy, France and Spain all have full shelves now.
We�ve got our order coming from Tesco tomorrow so will be interesting to see what turns up.
People won�t learn eccy. The selfishness of some is really showing at the moment and they�ll be off to stock up again as soon as they think they can squeeze any more in their deep freeze. There�s no need though as you said. Looks like Italy, France and Spain all have full shelves now.
We�ve got our order coming from Tesco tomorrow so will be interesting to see what turns up.
Someone padlocked the trolley bay at my local Aldi, so people could only use hand baskets, was funny as people were moaning they could bot buy much, that's the way forward, remove the trolleys, hand baskets only!
When I say home delivery it�s of groceries. But it�s going to be pot luck what turns up after all the shoulder buyers have been through and stock piled everything.
Got to do weekly shop Tuesday or Wednesday. It will look a lot if I get everything I normally get. But then again I don't go anywhere else during the week. Don't really want to go where there are lots of people. Although I don't think that is going to be possible.
If the car park looks full I don't think I will go in and might just try the next day. Got a bread maker and a soup maker so we can stretch it out.
Got a click and collect order booked for April 1st but will be hit and miss regarding what we will get. I just don't want to join the scum in the scrum. How the hell can we socially distance effectively ?
The solution is to choose the right time of day to shop.
Either really early or really late just before they close. It varies a bit from store to store due to what location they have, but in general it looks like this: During weekdays most people shop between 15:00 and 19:00. With days off work (like now) it streches to between 11:00 and 19:00.
I know this for a fact beacause I'm an accountant with clients that are Supermarkets.
600,000 people die every year, in UK. There are no models that see more than about 300,000 people dying in a year.
If we had more ICU we could have faced this without concern
The disease largely kills older / vulnerable people. Isolate the over 60s, allow schools to stay open later to deal with the fact that a lot of old people look after youngsters at end of day. Build field hospitals and get ready to see a huge spike in death - as you'd expect to see every 100yrs (disease X), stop sensationalist reporting, have sympathy for the doctors and front line care workers, and move on. We have to walk through fire and most of us will not be burned. Back in 1918, the flu killed lots of young people because of the immune response it triggered. Fortunately, this disease mainly kills older people. I am in a high risk category (chest problems) and over 50 yrs old.
As things stand, the economy will be damaged irreparably, with no exit strategy this side of 2022. For the cost of 4 hospitals and a sixweek lockdown, the Chinese have managed to do to us what could not have been done with nuclear weapons.
We have no reliable evidence to indicate the mortality rate is higher than the worst seasonal flu and even if it is - what can we do but face it? Let's imagine it mutates into something that kills young people (as has happened in the past). What then? We have an opportunity to give all young healthy people a chance of some immunity and we're rejecting it for what? If we were to just get on with this we might, one day, see it as the right strategy. This is a brand new virus. There are lots of unknowns but our experience of viruses is that they do mutate and this thing could become more of a problem later.
I fear getting this virus but I accept I'm probably going to have to as we all will. A lot of people went walking, yesterday. This has been reported in the most sensationalist way. If you called this flu (and real flu is horrendous - it takes a month to get through) a lot of the reports would read very differently. If these people out walking are with their own families and walking at a distance from others, what is the issue? The entry point to supermarkets, touching petrol pumps, card machines, money, etc has to be more risky than driving out for a walk.
I'm very worried - but not about the virus as much I am about the response, which I think is disproportionate and unscientific.
Just seen the Harvard epidemiologist report which is apparently 'thermonclear'. LOL. The details are that this is going to be as bad as 1918. Well [oops] me. Big news. Every 100yrs we have a pandemic. We're all going to get the disease? Did we not know that? There will be a high death rate? Wow!
So now we will be fully locked down..... What good will come of it?
Back in the day we lived near our parents and extended family but now many of us live further away from them. But back in 1918 we didn't have the capacity to spread a disease like we do now. Now we all have cars and we can be 100 miles away in a couple of hours spreading all sorts of nasties with us. Left unchecked we can spread it around the world in a few days.
This virus is invisible. We are fighting an enemy we know very little about. Nobody knows what is right or what is wrong. You know we will be drip fed what the government wants us to know and that conspiracy theorists will be doing overtime.
The speed of events is frightening. Friday the week before last we cancelled football matches here. Last Friday we shut all the pubs, restaurants, cafes and leisure centres, schools and exams were cancelled.
By this Friday 1.5m in the UK will be on complete lockdown for 12 weeks. The Friday after that I make a phone call to see if our company is back at work on 6th April.
Given this timeline there is absolutely no chance of that happening. Last week Boris said we can turn the tide in 12 weeks. That brings us to about June 11th. After that the tide still needs to go out.
But this won't be over until everybody has got rid of it. What worries me most is one of the superpowers with nuclear weapons being turned into a Third World country by this.
D500 - Yes the mortality rates aren't high at the moment BUT thinking this is not something to be concerned about is naive. There does seem to be more asymptomatic people than people experiencing the full excruciating pain and ordeal of the symptoms.
However until there is a cure it needs to be treated with the utmost importance, Governments can't hide what is going on now because we live in the social media age. I've seen plenty of folks who have or are going through the ordeal of the full blown symptoms to know this is not something to take lightly...Fever, excruciating headaches, wheezing like there is no air, constant dehydration and no energy to do the simplest of things like lifting up a arm/hand to try and reach a glass of water and these symptons last for days even if the affected manages to get to the ICU in Hospital.
This pandemic could last for another year or more with scientists not knowing if it will die off with the spring/summer warm up to then return with a vengeance when autumn/winter returns. There's lots of bullish reports about potential cures but until they are fully tested which takes time, this is going to be with us for sometime yet.
D500 - Yes the mortality rates aren't high at the moment BUT thinking this is not something to be concerned about is naive. There does seem to be more asymptomatic people than people experiencing the full excruciating pain and ordeal of the symptoms.
However until there is a cure it needs to be treated with the utmost importance, Governments can't hide what is going on now because we live in the social media age. I've seen plenty of folks who have or are going through the ordeal of the full blown symptoms to know this is not something to take lightly...Fever, excruciating headaches, wheezing like there is no air, constant dehydration and no energy to do the simplest of things like lifting up a arm/hand to try and reach a glass of water and these symptons last for days even if the affected manages to get to the ICU in Hospital.
This pandemic could last for another year or more with scientists not knowing if it will die off with the spring/summer warm up to then return with a vengeance when autumn/winter returns. There's lots of bullish reports about potential cures but until they are fully tested which takes time, this is going to be with us for sometime yet.
The worrying thing is they have already seen a mutation of the virus, so if it mutates every year, it could become a recurring virus every year, like Flu, that we need to learn to live with.
The good news is air pollution has improved massively since the virus hit:
I can see this changing how people live and work, WFH maybe come more of the norm (I have been WFH for years for a few days a week as I work in IT), so that would help with pollution & congestion.
Most of the virologists I�ve heard talking about this say that viruses usually mutate into less harmful ones so hopefully this will be the case here.
'usually' is a worrying word when you talk pandemic, Flu has been with us for over 100 years (recorded) and every year has a significant impact on the old/ill/vulnerable in society. It has just been accepted fact, people band it around now that 20-40,000 die from flu in the UK every year, going forward we may be saying the same for Covid-19, every now and then we get a particularly lethal version like Spanish flu which can kill in the millions.
Announcement from BoJo at 8:30. No doubt we�ll all be on lockdown no doubt after all those morons treating yesterday like a bank holiday and the even bigger morons crowding into tube trains!
Announcement from BoJo at 8:30. No doubt we�ll all be on lockdown no doubt after all those morons treating yesterday like a bank holiday and the even bigger morons crowding into tube trains!
Not quite lockdown, but it's close, all the idiots will be out panic buying in the food shops tomorrow with this announcement.
They seem to be getting more organised in supermarkets now in Tesco they had security guards by the tills checking you had not bought more than one of each item
There�s no need for it though. Food is still being produced and getting on to the shelves. They�re allowed to deliver for longer and are putting extra staff on. Supermarkets (big ones) were open 24 hours but were still being emptied. It�s nuts.
Up to 205 now, country went into a 4 week lockdown as of today, I went to shop yesterday and there were police at the door with a queue of about 100 people and this was 15 minutes before opening. Went in and half shelves were empty so I couldn't get half of the stuff on my list. I'll just wait until we have absolutely nothing untim I go out again as delivery and click and collect were fully booked.
Government / Local Councils need to put in place stricter rules on grocery stores to make sure everybody gets a fairer share whilst everybody is on lockdown. Stock pilers are cheating everybody else and I'll bet there's folks out there that currently have next to nothing.
If we had just had very strict isolation for old and vulnerable people - statistically the only ones that are at serious risk, we could have circumvented most of the debt we will now suffer for decades. I feel for the next generation. Stockpiling will stop once people realise they can get food - it's already clear in my local shops, that a lot of the panic is ebbing away. When we look at our future tax bills etc, there will be no panic, just despair.
This is so big I don't think life will ever be the same again. The politically fashionable global warming will I fear not be heard of much again. Biological is the main threat to mankind and once (if) we get over this we need to put our resources into protecting against this threat which will include our medical infrastructure. I also fear the world economy may take a very long time to recover perhaps decades and austerity will be with us all that time.
Sorry to me so pessimistic but I cannot see any good side other than it might wake us up to the real issues
Well the economy will be fecked that�s for sure. I bet people ain�t so worried about brexit now.
They might be when we are rock bottom and trying to negotiate deals, when the Euro countries are working together to recover.
At the end of the day, we will all be paying huge taxes for this going forward, I feel sorry for the next generation of workers who will have to cover all these debts, people think the government are paying for this, it's us that are paying, the government put in these measures which will be paid for by the workers!
Government / Local Councils need to put in place stricter rules on grocery stores to make sure everybody gets a fairer share whilst everybody is on lockdown. Stock pilers are cheating everybody else and I'll bet there's folks out there that currently have next to nothing.
They set a limit over here, you are only allowed two items of anything, eg, 2 cans tuna, 2 cans baked beans, 2 types of cleaning products across all brands which stopped people from hoarding.
I agree we need to restrict quantities of what people can buy, the panic buying was selfish and stupid. But I am shopping for my parents as my elderly father is on the Isolation list as he has chronic COPD so is staying at home for 12 weeks with my mother. I tried to buy 2 double packs of milk and they refused me saying 1 pack only, I said it just means I have to come out again in a few days as 1 bottle of milk for a family of 3 and 1 for a family of 2 will only last a few days if I split the packs!
So it has to be done sensibly, lots of people are shopping for multiple households ATM, helping elderly isolated family/neighbours etc, I am hoping to do a shop a week, if I am reduced drastically on quantities, it means I will need to do 2 shops a week, which is not good for anyone, as I am being potentially exposed to the virus on every shop and I am also making the shops busier.
That�s the problem now and is a consequence of the panic buying. I thought there was going to be food deliveries for those on the most at risk list? My father in law got his letter today and they�ve no way of ordering for delivery themselves. We�re 100 miles away too so can�t physically go to the shop for them.
That�s the problem now and is a consequence of the panic buying. I thought there was going to be food deliveries for those on the most at risk list? My father in law got his letter today and they�ve no way of ordering for delivery themselves. We�re 100 miles away too so can�t physically go to the shop for them.
I think they are trying to work out how to implement it all, the logistics are so difficult, I think this is partly what is behind the volunteer recruitment drive, so they can contact older/vulnerable and deliver for them etc.
Another good thing is parliament has closed down all they were doing is getting in the way of government dealing with this by political point scoring we need that now like a hole in the head.
Hopefully now the government can make progress and I think they are slowly but surely testing kits are coming out in the millions soon and we are building the hospitalisation infrastructure where I live most people are sticking to the guidelines but maybe 10% idiots are not. It would not be so bad if the idiots got the disease but Unfortunetly they are helping to give it innocents who try to do the right thing
Well the economy will be fecked that�s for sure. I bet people ain�t so worried about brexit now.
They might be when we are rock bottom and trying to negotiate deals, when the Euro countries are working together to recover.
At the end of the day, we will all be paying huge taxes for this going forward, I feel sorry for the next generation of workers who will have to cover all these debts, people think the government are paying for this, it's us that are paying, the government put in these measures which will be paid for by the workers!
We will see....
It won't be the next generation of workers, it will be us and as soon as this is over we will be facing a mountain of debt. I am guessing that anyone who has saved all their lives for their pension will see it disappear. At best it will be the end of state pension if you have previously saved up for your own. And it will be the lower paid who will be shafted yet again.
I think this is why there is still a race to get out of this ever before we have hit the peak. The Chinese are going to have the drop on the whole world. Europe either in or out of EU will not be a prosperous place. For the UK without manufacturing at its heart there will be years of struggle.
In the meantime stay well everyone and don't go out if you can help it.
I don't want to be heartless but why are we doing all this?
lockdown? destroying the economy for the next 30 years.
ok we may save 100000 of the elderly and vulnerable, I don't want to appear heartless but the majority of those will die of another affliction in 3-5 years.
yes I know some younger people can cat h it and die but that's a very low percentage.
we will not get herd immunity if we stay inside.
what should be done is to tell the elderly you have to stay in for 8 months if you come out you will die.
all i see in the uk is the elderly waiting outside busy supermarkets, its mad, in the meanwhile we have our freedom and liberty destroyed.
[quote=wilkij1975]Well the economy will be fecked that�s for sure. I bet people ain�t so worried about brexit now.
It won't be the next generation of workers, it will be us and as soon as this is over we will be facing a mountain of debt. I am guessing that anyone who has saved all their lives for their pension will see it disappear. At best it will be the end of state pension if you have previously saved up for your own. And it will be the lower paid who will be shafted yet again.
I think this is why there is still a race to get out of this ever before we have hit the peak. The Chinese are going to have the drop on the whole world. Europe either in or out of EU will not be a prosperous place. For the UK without manufacturing at its heart there will be years of struggle.
In the meantime stay well everyone and don't go out if you can help it.
I agree, we will all be paying, but the next generation will be paying all their lives, allot of us are near the end of our working lives, they will also lose allot of the benefits we have had, such as NHS/Unemployment Benefit/old age Care etc, these will all be cut back or just end. Taxes are going to be raised to try and pay this, the chancellor fired a shot back at the Self Employed yesterday to expect them to contribute more in the future for this.
Hopefully things like house prices/rents will come down from the stupid high values they have been for years, as people just will not be able to afford them.
The fecking Chinese should be paying for this not us! It came out of their disgusting markets (allegedly) and now the rest of the world will be in huge debt because they want to behave like animals.
I see old man Steptoe has piped up claiming his policies were right after the governments pledges. What a proper moron he is and what a time to be playing politics. Moronic scumbag.
I agree with this. It's not heartless. I think it's the only way. Next year we'll be moaning about child poverty, suicide statsitics, the lack of hope for the young. The number of old people we keep alive can't be the only stat.
I agree with this. It's not heartless. I think it's the only way. Next year we'll be moaning about child poverty, suicide statsitics, the lack of hope for the young. The number of old people we keep alive can't be the only stat.
If you express that view or even suggest it you get labeled heartless.
Our life expectancy has increased in such a short time from mid 40s to late 80s, only 100 years ago you rarely had people living past late 50s.
Of course we must show compassion when anyone passed away but its part of being alive, you are born and you die.
This quest to prevent deaths of the elderly will destroy the future for our young. If people though austerity was tough when we get to the other side it will be 10 x worse.
Its not sustainable for our economy or to keep the country in lockdown.
As someone who works in the pharmaceutical industry, I very much doubt we will get a cure for at least 3 years and that's being very optimistic. We haven't even developed a cure for SARS or MERS and they arose in 2012.
Some tough decisions need to be made in the next 3 months.
I don't want to be heartless but why are we doing all this?
lockdown? destroying the economy for the next 30 years.
ok we may save 100000 of the elderly and vulnerable, I don't want to appear heartless but the majority of those will die of another affliction in 3-5 years.
yes I know some younger people can cat h it and die but that's a very low percentage.
we will not get herd immunity if we stay inside.
what should be done is to tell the elderly you have to stay in for 8 months if you come out you will die.
all i see in the uk is the elderly waiting outside busy supermarkets, its mad, in the meanwhile we have our freedom and liberty destroyed.
If you go down the herd route. I think you would see lots of people in their early 60's die, That's too young. I've been reading some articles about Bergamo in Italy. The Red Cross are coming to people's houses, people are half dead, people know they are dying. But they still leave them in their homes because they are overcrowded in the hospitals. They come back when they are near death and take them in.
I read about families there having to drive to other towns to find oxygen for their loved ones. As they have ran out or cannot get it in time. Families getting wiped out. This is only what I am reading I am sure there is more horror stories
If the UK went full herd like Borris wanted. Then you would literally have people dying on the streets. It's a war zone already I cannot imagine what it would be like to let it go like that. You just cannot do that.
One way or another yes there will be a lot of suffering after it
I don't think Boris ever wanted to go full herd, he is 55, unfit and would be at risk of you reckon 60s would die.
Myself it looks like the elderly with underlying health issues are the ones most at risk.
In my view of the government had told them in plain english, if you do not isolate for 8 months you have a 95% chance of catching covid 19 and passing away, and then allowed the rest of society to carry on as normal, that would have been sufficient and resulted in less deaths than we are seeing now.
I don't think Boris ever wanted to go full herd, he is 55, unfit and would be at risk of you reckon 60s would die.
Myself it looks like the elderly with underlying health issues are the ones most at risk.
In my view of the government had told them in plain english, if you do not isolate for 8 months you have a 95% chance of catching covid 19 and passing away, and then allowed the rest of society to carry on as normal, that would have been sufficient and resulted in less deaths than we are seeing now.
This is what Israel is doing I think, you also need to include the other vulnerable
I agree with this. There's influenza pandemic's every year and many many people die. I'm not saying 'thats life' but if we're implementing martial law lockdowns over this, what's next?
What's just as worrying is how easy it's been to persuade people it's in their own interest to be locked up. I've just moved to Portugal (literally one of the last flights out) and if you suggest taking your dog a walk in the forums you get crucified. Yes it's bad, but people need some perspective.
The long term repurcussions of these policies is scary. People are wary of each other, suspicious even, massive debt and huge unemployment, people are struggling to eat in India already, people's physical and mental health will detoriate and how long is this planned for? Shutting the schools stops children building up immunity and this thing isn't going anywhere fast.
Isolate the old and most vulnerable. The rest of us can keep society going and make sure they're looked after.
Until there is an adequate amount of PPE, medication and ventilators it would be a massive mistake. Governments have been scratching around for this stuff so until then lockdowns need to be done. It isn't just the old and infirm who are at risk (although they do make up the vast majority of mortalities) there is longterm implications for everybody who gets this virus. Folks lung capacity is showing to be affected with a drop off by 20 to 30% and there is now signs that other organ damage is occuring in patients who have recovered. Until we know the full facts there has to be lockdowns and quarantines.
I agree with this. There's influenza pandemic's every year and many many people die. I'm not saying 'thats life' but if we're implementing martial law lockdowns over this, what's next?
What's just as worrying is how easy it's been to persuade people it's in their own interest to be locked up. I've just moved to Portugal (literally one of the last flights out) and if you suggest taking your dog a walk in the forums you get crucified. Yes it's bad, but people need some perspective.
The long term repurcussions of these policies is scary. People are wary of each other, suspicious even, massive debt and huge unemployment, people are struggling to eat in India already, people's physical and mental health will detoriate and how long is this planned for? Shutting the schools stops children building up immunity and this thing isn't going anywhere fast.
Isolate the old and most vulnerable. The rest of us can keep society going and make sure they're looked after.
This is what I thought initially until I saw the situation in Italy and it is not only the old that need treatment and die, in italy doctors had to choose who to treat and who to let die, this is quite difficult for any society. The world will change massively after this, China will definitely be the biggest economy with the highest number of companies in the Forbes 500. It is happening right now.
Time the rest of the world as a whole denounced them and then boycott all their products. The world doesn�t need cock Wombles like them if we all work together.
I�m sure there�s nothing that they make that we couldn�t all make ourselves. Would probably be better than the cheap rubbish that mostly comes out of there too.
I�m sure there�s nothing that they make that we couldn�t all make ourselves. Would probably be better than the cheap rubbish that mostly comes out of there too.
But prices will shoot up and a lot of people wont be able to afford
I haven't seen anything about long term haelth implications, probably because it hasn't been around long enough. Nor lung capacity being affected. I've read it's not as potent as SARS, just more easily transferable. We just don't know, like we don't know whether the lockdowns will work. It just seems so strange, so surreal, like the first excuse needed to try out some extreme measures and see how people react. Feels like the old days of grassing on your parents if you thought they were commies. I did see a FB post of people suggesting the public call the police on people walking on a beach alone.
It feels very political. Trumps ratings have gone up and people are suggesting a clap-a-thon for Boris.. I think a lot of bad will come of this, not least massively diverting NHS funds for a long time away from people who also need urgent help. Probably sell more of the NHS off and they can just blame Corona. Like they can blame most things on terrorism and pass freedom-restricting laws at will. The public lap it up.
I hope this lockdown works. If it doesn't who knows what plan B is and they'll be no cure anytime soon. There could just be another version next year. The world economy is so fragile and a recession here and there to re-set things usually makes a lot of people very rich. As for people coming together after this and making the world a better place... lol.
I�m sure there�s nothing that they make that we couldn�t all make ourselves. Would probably be better than the cheap rubbish that mostly comes out of there too.
But prices will shoot up and a lot of people wont be able to afford
Initially maybe but when everybody sources the raw materials totally bypassing anything from China goods prices will actually become a lot cheaper and readily available instead of having to wait for cargo from China.
It�s the rest of the worlds responsibility to make sure this never happens again and in doing so we can eventually crush the Despicable Chinese Communist regime.
I�m sure there�s nothing that they make that we couldn�t all make ourselves. Would probably be better than the cheap rubbish that mostly comes out of there too.
But prices will shoot up and a lot of people wont be able to afford
Initially maybe but when everybody sources the raw materials totally bypassing anything from China goods prices will actually become a lot cheaper and readily available instead of having to wait for cargo from China.
It�s the rest of the worlds responsibility to make sure this never happens again and in doing so we can eventually crush the Despicable Chinese Communist regime.
Exactly. And everything will cost more after this anyway. As you say, prices will come down once things settle and supply chains are in place.
I�m sure there�s nothing that they make that we couldn�t all make ourselves. Would probably be better than the cheap rubbish that mostly comes out of there too.
We have the skills, but we have to pay a UK living wage, in China that cost is allot lower, but I agree, UK has become a service industry and now we have very limited industry to keep us going, we need to bring more in-house, or we will continue to be over reliant on other countries, which makes us vulnerable as a nation.
The Chinese workers are efficient and cheap per hour.
How do you top that though?
I think we need to find other partners who have the right mindset to do business with, as opposed to China who have no ethics at all - at least not compared to what we are looking for.
But where can those partners be found I wonder. In Africa? South America?
The Chinese workers are efficient and cheap per hour.
How do you top that though?
I think we need to find other partners who have the right mindset to do business with, as opposed to China who have no ethics at all - at least not compared to what we are looking for.
But where can those partners be found I wonder. In Africa? South America?
No ethics generally means cheap, any country with ethics will want to look after it's people and pay a fair wage to give a decent living standard, which drives up costs. Society needs to change and be willing to pay much higher prices for goods, we also need to become a less disposable society, we have already taken steps towards this with recycling, so there is buy in for this from the public.
It's like going from own brand cheap food to organic, prices will rise dramatically, will people pay that? I am hoping after this society will take a look at how it was affected by this virus and how it started/spread, how we are over reliant on other nations, hopefully values will change....
But as people across the globe no doubt now will have far less funds available for the foreseeable future, I very much doubt prices will have only a small significance to their daily choice between high and low quality.
And the further down the food chain we get, the more people we will find, and these will also have less choice to make the right and more costly choice.
Price will be the big challenge going forwards, and we just have to make a stand against the likes of China. But it will be a tough ask no dout!
The Chinese workers are efficient and cheap per hour.
How do you top that though?
I think we need to find other partners who have the right mindset to do business with, as opposed to China who have no ethics at all - at least not compared to what we are looking for.
But where can those partners be found I wonder. In Africa? South America?
No ethics generally means cheap, any country with ethics will want to look after it's people and pay a fair wage to give a decent living standard, which drives up costs. Society needs to change and be willing to pay much higher prices for goods, we also need to become a less disposable society, we have already taken steps towards this with recycling, so there is buy in for this from the public.
It's like going from own brand cheap food to organic, prices will rise dramatically, will people pay that? I am hoping after this society will take a look at how it was affected by this virus and how it started/spread, how we are over reliant on other nations, hopefully values will change....
China is where it is now thanks to globalised capitalism, it's the big western brands who decided to produce at lower cost in China to maximize profits, that wont change
[quote=van Gogh No ethics generally means cheap, any country with ethics will want to look after it's people and pay a fair wage to give a decent living standard, which drives up costs. Society needs to change and be willing to pay much higher prices for goods, we also need to become a less disposable society, we have already taken steps towards this with recycling, so there is buy in for this from the public.
It's like going from own brand cheap food to organic, prices will rise dramatically, will people pay that? I am hoping after this society will take a look at how it was affected by this virus and how it started/spread, how we are over reliant on other nations, hopefully values will change....
China is where it is now thanks to globalised capitalism, it's the big western brands who decided to produce at lower cost in China to maximize profits, that wont change
I agree, brands drove production to China to reduce cost/maximise profit, people need to send a message to the likes of Nike/Apple etc that they will not tolerate this, abit like people did in the UK when brands like Costa/Amazon were avoiding paying taxes to maximise profit, they have also done it with plastic usage/packaging, so it can be done, even the likes of McDonalds reacted!
I'm a vegetarian so don't eat any meat and I don't have sanctimonious views on those that do.
But I defy anyone to watch any of the youtube videos on the Chinese meat markets and justify that as civilized behaviour.
I will not describe it on here as I doubt x rated horror films could get away with filming stuff like that.
The immense cruelty shown by the sellers and buyers appalls me and the fate of cats, dogs, rats, bats, snakes etc etc should never be allowed. I accept the Chinese as a country makes it own laws and decisions but I likewise appalled that we as a so called civilised country are prepared to do billion pound telecom deals with such a country.
And to make it worse the rest of our country does not connect the birth of this killer flu virus with the obscene meat industry in China that birthed it.
I have not heard one British politician be critical of China that is left upto Trump.
China is where it is now thanks to globalised capitalism, it's the big western brands who decided to produce at lower cost in China to maximize profits, that wont change
Then you tax the f...cuk out of those big western brands until it doesn't become a viable option for them to send their manufacturing to China.
China bulk-bought medical supplies abroad before coronavirus crisis hit
As the coronavirus took hold in Wuhan in February, staff of a Chinese government-backed global property giant were ordered to buy up vast quantities of western medicines and medical equipment to send to China.
Sources within the company told the Sydney Morning Herald that it was an international endeavour by the Greenland Group to scour the world for bulk supplies of surgical masks, thermometers, antibacterial wipes, hand sanitisers, gloves and paracetamol for China�s health system.
According to a company newsletter, the Greenland Group�s overseas offices brought up three million protective masks, 700,000 hazmat suits and 500,000 pairs of protective gloves from Australia, Canada, Turkey and other Countries.
It goes to show that China where exhausting their own supplies and couldn't manufacture them themselves quick enough, to actually then go find more.
Insidious Basta.rds knew this was bad and kept it from the World allowing folks to travel in and out of China knowing they would be passing on the virus to the rest of the world. Buying up supplies other Countries were going to need...complete and utter c...unts!
Apologies for the language but this makes my blood boil
I'm a vegetarian so don't eat any meat and I don't have sanctimonious views on those that do.
But I defy anyone to watch any of the youtube videos on the Chinese meat markets and justify that as civilized behaviour.
I will not describe it on here as I doubt x rated horror films could get away with filming stuff like that.
The immense cruelty shown by the sellers and buyers appalls me and the fate of cats, dogs, rats, bats, snakes etc etc should never be allowed. I accept the Chinese as a country makes it own laws and decisions but I likewise appalled that we as a so called civilised country are prepared to do billion pound telecom deals with such a country.
And to make it worse the rest of our country does not connect the birth of this killer flu virus with the obscene meat industry in China that birthed it.
I have not heard one British politician be critical of China that is left upto Trump.
Rant over.
You�re a veggie? Explains a lot
Completely agree about the markets. I saw a video reported to be the Wuhan market where this all (allegedly) started. Like you say it was beyond disgusting and should be shut for good. No place in any civilised world for that.
China bulk-bought medical supplies abroad before coronavirus crisis hit
As the coronavirus took hold in Wuhan in February, staff of a Chinese government-backed global property giant were ordered to buy up vast quantities of western medicines and medical equipment to send to China.
Sources within the company told the Sydney Morning Herald that it was an international endeavour by the Greenland Group to scour the world for bulk supplies of surgical masks, thermometers, antibacterial wipes, hand sanitisers, gloves and paracetamol for China�s health system.
According to a company newsletter, the Greenland Group�s overseas offices brought up three million protective masks, 700,000 hazmat suits and 500,000 pairs of protective gloves from Australia, Canada, Turkey and other Countries.
It goes to show that China where exhausting their own supplies and couldn't manufacture them themselves quick enough, to actually then go find more.
Insidious Basta.rds knew this was bad and kept it from the World allowing folks to travel in and out of China knowing they would be passing on the virus to the rest of the world. Buying up supplies other Countries were going to need...complete and utter c...unts!
Apologies for the language but this makes my blood boil
Let�s hope we don�t let them have any more then although as I said earlier, seems they may be profiteering from that stock.
China is where it is now thanks to globalised capitalism, it's the big western brands who decided to produce at lower cost in China to maximize profits, that wont change
Then you tax the f...cuk out of those big western brands until it doesn't become a viable option for them to send their manufacturing to China.
It's gone too far I am afraid, a big part of the industrial base in the West has been dismantled already and will take years to get back. To get a concerted effort would we even more challenging and in any case the biggest creditor of the western world including the US is China. Except for a war, the trend winter change and nobody wants a war, especially the Western people
China bulk-bought medical supplies abroad before coronavirus crisis hit
As the coronavirus took hold in Wuhan in February, staff of a Chinese government-backed global property giant were ordered to buy up vast quantities of western medicines and medical equipment to send to China.
Sources within the company told the Sydney Morning Herald that it was an international endeavour by the Greenland Group to scour the world for bulk supplies of surgical masks, thermometers, antibacterial wipes, hand sanitisers, gloves and paracetamol for China�s health system.
According to a company newsletter, the Greenland Group�s overseas offices brought up three million protective masks, 700,000 hazmat suits and 500,000 pairs of protective gloves from Australia, Canada, Turkey and other Countries.
It goes to show that China where exhausting their own supplies and couldn't manufacture them themselves quick enough, to actually then go find more.
Insidious Basta.rds knew this was bad and kept it from the World allowing folks to travel in and out of China knowing they would be passing on the virus to the rest of the world. Buying up supplies other Countries were going to need...complete and utter c...unts!
Apologies for the language but this makes my blood boil
Let�s hope we don�t let them have any more then although as I said earlier, seems they may be profiteering from that stock.
They are supplying to the world now with the biggest capacity of production
The Netherlands Recalls 600,000 Chinese Face Masks - Comes After Turkey, Spain, Ukraine, Czech Republic Return Faulty Chinese COVID-19 Test Kits
Turkey was the latest country to refuse Chinese coronavirus tests.
Spain returned their kits last week after finding them inaccurate.
The Chinese kits were only 30% accurate missing thousands of cases of the deadly virus.
Spain, Chile, Ukraine, Czech Republic (I think, it was in that region), and now Turkey. All say the tests China sent were only, like, 33% accurate.
Once is a mistake. Twice is a coincidence. Three� no, five times is enemy action. https://t.co/8Dc63fKb3D
� Raven King, not trusting China, China is ASSHOLE (@RexCorvinus) March 28, 2020 After Spain and Czech, now Turkey discards faulty Chinese Coronavirus testing kits: Turkish Health Minister Fahrettin Koca confirmed later on Friday that Turkey had tried some rapid antigen tests arrived from China, but authorities "weren't happy about� https://t.co/OXKq5kgShr pic.twitter.com/hA9CmTCCyd
And now The Netherlands recalled 600,000 Chinese made face masks after they did not meet standards.
The South China Morning Post reported:
Dutch officials have recalled 600,000 face masks manufactured in China because they did not meet quality standards, the government�s health ministry said on Saturday.
The news shocked frontline medical staff in the Netherlands, who rely on high-quality products to protect them from contracting Covid-19, Dutch public broadcaster NOS said.
Half of the shipment of 1.3 million supposedly top-of-the-line face masks � known as N95 in the United States and Hong Kong � had already been distributed to doctors and nurses treating the most critical Covid-19 patients, the government said.
Chinese Company that Makes Forehead Thermometers �Jokes� About Making Faulty Product for Sale in US in Order to Spread Disease
The owner of a Chinese factory in an online group chat suggested intentionally calibrating forehead thermometers shipped to the United States a few degrees cooler than what the actual temperature is.
That way Americans who are sick will not register as having a fever and will then spread the coronavirus.
Writer Jennifer Zeng posted this thread on Twitter.
Zhang Xuandong, owner of Haofeng Electronic Technology Co. in Dongguan, #Guangdong Province in #China, says in a chat group of forehead thermometer producers which has 178 members, �Produce some fake products and sell them to the US. They (thermometers) should read 36.5 �C when the actual temperature is 39 �C. In this way, more and more American people will be infected. Let�s see if forehead thermometer producers which has 178 members, �Produce some fake products and sell them to the US. They (thermometers) should read 36.5 �C when the actual temperature is 39 �C. In this way, more and more American people will be infected. Let�s see if they still have people left to go to other countries to harm others!�
Here is a screengrab of the Haofeng Electronic Technology Co. in China.
After one member sends three laughing emojis, Zhang continues to say, �Isn�t that a great idea? Without using one single solider, we make money, as well as make peace for the world.� Another member says No, we don�t want to make money from Americans. Let them help and rely on themselves.�
2� forehead thermometer producers which has 178 members, "Produce some fake products and sell them to the US. They (thermometers) should read 36.5 �C when the actual temperature is 39 �C. In this way, more and more American people will be infected. Let's see if�
� Jennifer Zeng 曾錚 (@jenniferatntd) March 29, 2020
4�"No, we don't want to make money from Americans. Let them help and rely on themselves."#CCPVirus #COVID2019 #Coronavirus #DownWithTheCCP #CoronavirusOutbreak #CoronavirusPandemic #coronaviruschina #Coronavirustruth #CoronaVirusUpdate #CoronaVirusChallenge
� Jennifer Zeng 曾錚 (@jenniferatntd) March 29, 2020
Allowed travel in and out of China when the virus had clearly took hold in China.
Bought up medical supplies from other Countries knowing full well those Countries would need those supplies.
Then when it was evident the virus had took a hold all over the World, they purposely manufactured faulty medical supplies to export to other Countries so they could profit and come out of it with the rest of the world facing death and financial ruin for generations to come!
Allowed travel in and out of China when the virus had clearly took hold in China.
Bought up medical supplies from other Countries knowing full well those Countries would need those supplies.
Then when it was evident the virus had took a hold all over the World, they purposely manufactured faulty medical supplies to export to other Countries so they could profit and come out of it with the rest of the world facing death and financial ruin for generations to come!
If it was deliberate they would have won the war without firing a bullet...
It's a game of chess at this stage, and everyone is being played, also can someone explain why the us dollar has soared even though they have the most cases now?
It's a game of chess at this stage, and everyone is being played, also can someone explain why the us dollar has soared even though they have the most cases now?
Maybe because they are sacking their employees before others and there will probably be more 'cleansing' there with the number of reported infections, we all know the number of infected is much much higher.
Dominic Raab basically said yesterday that we would not confront China over the virus and that he expects the WHO to lead the way on tackling and making conclusions after the virus dies now.
basically passing the buck, I have never been as ashamed of our government when he came out with the get out clause that it is up to the WHO.
We should be making an example of China. Treating them like a pariah state, the likes of North Korea and Iran.
I guess all the greedy multi millionaire business owners want to keep the status quo alive rather than rock the boat.
You don't escalate things when you are at your most susceptible. I suspect China will be made to pay in one form or another when this is over. There are going to be those who roll over and allow China to tickle their belly...Germany, France, Sweden to name a few already pussified places but definitely USA will hit China hard with sanctions, it's just who else in the World has the gonads to follow USA's lead?
I like this very talented Guy...at a time when it seems every f.cukwit in Hollyweird has an overly distorted political view, he is more interested in finding some good in the world...
You don't escalate things when you are at your most susceptible. I suspect China will be made to pay in one form or another when this is over. There are going to be those who roll over and allow China to tickle their belly...Germany, France, Sweden to name a few already pussified places but definitely USA will hit China hard with sanctions, it's just who else in the World has the gonads to follow USA's lead?
Keep dreaming, the first who will suffer is the biggest market cap in US, ie, Apple who manufactures all its phones in China and there are many more. We'll see and Trump has made sure US has least friends possible
Oh Trump has plenty of friends and the figure gets bigger by the day as disillusioned people on the left wake up. Before all this the USA was the strongest Country economically in the World, there's signs that it will bounce right back as soon as this hostile threat from China is eliminated.
Oh Trump has plenty of friends and the figure gets bigger by the day as disillusioned people on the left wake up. Before all this the USA was the strongest Country economically in the World, there's signs that it will bounce right back as soon as this hostile threat from China is eliminated.
Plenty of friends, really? Probably only Boris and maybe Putin, nobody trusts him, not even his neighbours. Yes he could bully people around, but things might change a big way when he asks for support. USA showed great leadership but that was before Trump, his motto was USA first and foremost
Chinese factory worker rubbing his shoes on medical face masks meant for export to foreign countries
As Taiwan News reported:
�a video posted on Twitter appears to show a Chinese factory worker soiling face masks meant for foreign clients. The man, who is not properly wearing his own mask, can be seen laughing with glee as he grabs surgical masks by the handful and rubs them on his shoes.
The video was uploaded at 10:14 a.m. Monday morning by a Chinese coronavirus vlogger from Wuhan who goes by the pseudonym Harry Chen PhD. Before being suspended by Twitter in late February, Chen�s Twitter account had gained 35,000 followers for his frequent insider videos of the outbreak in Wuhan and CCP abuses.
Chen later created a new account through which he has defiantly continued to post videos his trusted sources in China sent him through encrypted channels. Chen told Taiwan News that the video had been filmed on Monday by workers in a factory converted to produce surgical face masks.
