He's a great dude, a great servant. Everyone wants him to have a testimonial etc etc.
With that established he is a terrible player to have in the 11, whether directly or indirectly he is a wobbly weak link. Awful passing and decision making, mistake prone and seems to generate confusion and uncertainty. With all that in mind, to put him in the back line is asking for it.

Flames don't blame Lucas for starting or coming off the bench


Fault is klopp's

Can't really argue against what Flames has said. He did well for us at times, always gives 100%, but to have him any where near the first team more than a year after Klopp's arrival is very disappointing.

We bough central defensive cover but aren't using him. Also, would it not be better to play Sakho? He's bound to be leaving soon but he may be motivated to show how good he is. It would put him in the shop window too. He does have his dodgy aspects but surely he would be better than Lucas?

He's no cb that's for sure.

Klopp playing lucas head klavan means klopp has no faith in klavan....why...

Klavan was signed cuzz he was cheap...just the way Henry likes it...

Klopp serous about finishing top 4....

I hope Henry allows him to sign or bring players on loan next month , without selling our best players

Hello flames, long time no see

I agree, Lucas has been a good servant but he doesn't suit the speed and movement we need in midfield and he is no CB, as soon as I saw his name at CB today I was concerned, the fact he is our third choice CB shows everything wrong with our defence.

We need to sell Sakho and replace him with a decent CB, I've not seen enough of Klavan, but i'm guessing Klopp has and that's why he's not our third choice CB.

Hopefully this will be sorted in January, otherwise we will not be maintaining a challenge for the PL.

not defending Lucas.

i thought Lovren was responsible for atleast the first goal?

the way i saw it,i wont blame just one player though . bad bad day

Yep, I think playing with Matip really helped Lovren, so as soon as he was not there, he struggled, the same happened with Sakho last season, Lovren looked much better with Sakho.

Alright Shagster, don't find the time to come on here these days too much unfortunately, however it's still the first port of call when I have some footie words to spare.
Thought we were looking title contenders but shiite like today doesn't bode well.

Exactly, it's all about pairings and working off each other. Lucas just reverberates uncertainty and the wheels start to come off for everyone. Been happening too long now for it to be a coincidence.

hey yo ol chum

Lovren and Sakho as a partnership is what nightmares are made of, couldn't think of anything worse, ones a mistake waiting to happen and the other as reckless as you will ever see....

Playing Lucas at centre back is a sure bet to lose a game and when i saw him named as starting at center back I expected a poor team performance today.

Klopp must see Lucas as a wise, experienced leader, neither of which are true. He is not intelligent, makes poor decisions and panics easily.

Lucas has no capacity to read the game, anticipate events or to see a good pass before he receives the ball.

A stalwart but a very poor footballer in my opinion.

Muuuuuj!

If players can be judged after being in the country for just a few months, then how on earth is Karius still in the team?

What happened to klavan? He looked decent when he played. Does he play in lovrens position or does Lucas look better in training?

yes, he is ....already for many years ago and he still plays for LFC.....sad reality...

Klopp had at least 16m to use in the summer, that's the profit we made on transfers and I am sure he could have obtained at least 5m more, he didn't find the player/s he wanted. Everybody here was questioning the fee we paid for Mane and Wijnaldum, meaning his hands are not tied up to a certain limit of course, as any manager, nobody has an open checkbook

I was thinking of the Bob Paisley thread and marveling at the super players he lead and I am scratching my head thinking how can such an average player such as Lucas have ever played for Liverpool FC?

There's been plenty worse than Lucas!

Yes but not for such a long spell.

Soon 10 years now!