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With FSG now officially having a controlling stake in NHL team, The Pittsburgh Penguins, all interest is on this newborn with Liverpool Football Club becoming the middle child...not as loved, just appeased!

1st born - Boston Redsox...also the favourite child, so much so their stadia is named after them...very much like a first born Son is named after it's Father. There'll always be $$$ for their favorite to make them consistent Challengers.

Newborn - The Pittsburgh Penguins...all their immediate nurturing or in layman's terms $$$ on this venture where they concentrate the lions share of money at, whilst other children are left to fend for themselves.

The situation with Liverpool FC's current squad is fast becoming a joke. It's held together with sticky tape by a Master conjurer in Klopp. However it's only a matter of time before Klopp becomes disillusioned with this situation.

All too often have we seen how close we came to more silverware under Klopp, if only he had the backing of Owners willing to back him with the extra players he needed. Instead they expected to turn long in the tooth chaff, that had, had their chance and were plainly not up to the mark - into top players able to contribute to Klopp's plans.

There is a huge festering problem under the surface at Liverpool Football Club and it needs to be addressed right now before it's too late.

Man Utd are a Top Manager away from being significant again...Newcastle if they negate this season's relegation battle will be soon on the scene, along with current top teams in Man City and Chelsea. There's an eerie familiarity with this, that all those teams will be backed to the tune of millions and possibly billions to strive towards success, whilst Liverpool Football Club will cross our fingers and hope for the best that an Academy, that has underperformed can find the next players to do what "only" TAA has managed to do in recent times and make us challengers!

FSG are at a cross roads they either invest or f.cuk off! They can start by not allowing this Salah contract situation to fester any longer, if they want to be taken seriously going forwards.
If they allow Salah to leave then it's time they packed their bags behind him because Liverpool Football Club and it's fans deserves much better. They've quadrupled the value of their investment...that should be enough for them to f.cuk off if they can't be a..rsed investing any further into the quality of the players on the pitch and keep Liverpool Football Club relevant for top honours.

To make do, is unacceptable whilst FSG plough $$$ into their next money spinning project.


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Originally Posted By Pickles
With FSG now officially having a controlling stake in NHL team, The Pittsburgh Penguins, all interest is on this newborn with Liverpool Football Club becoming the middle child...not as loved, just appeased!

1st born - Boston Redsox...also the favourite child, so much so their stadia is named after them...very much like a first born Son is named after it's Father. There'll always be $$$ for their favorite to make them consistent Challengers.

Newborn - The Pittsburgh Penguins...all their immediate nurturing or in layman's terms $$$ on this venture where they concentrate the lions share of money at, whilst other children are left to fend for themselves.

The situation with Liverpool FC's current squad is fast becoming a joke. It's held together with sticky tape by a Master conjurer in Klopp. However it's only a matter of time before Klopp becomes disillusioned with this situation.

All too often have we seen how close we came to more silverware under Klopp, if only he had the backing of Owners willing to back him with the extra players he needed. Instead they expected to turn long in the tooth chaff, that had, had their chance and were plainly not up to the mark - into top players able to contribute to Klopp's plans.

There is a huge festering problem under the surface at Liverpool Football Club and it needs to be addressed right now before it's too late.

Man Utd are a Top Manager away from being significant again...Newcastle if they negate this season's relegation battle will be soon on the scene, along with current top teams in Man City and Chelsea. There's an eerie familiarity with this, that all those teams will be backed to the tune of millions and possibly billions to strive towards success, whilst Liverpool Football Club will cross our fingers and hope for the best that an Academy, that has underperformed can find the next players to do what "only" TAA has managed to do in recent times and make us challengers!

FSG are at a cross roads they either invest or f.cuk off! They can start by not allowing this Salah contract situation to fester any longer, if they want to be taken seriously going forwards.
If they allow Salah to leave then it's time they packed their bags behind him because Liverpool Football Club and it's fans deserves much better. They've quadrupled the value of their investment...that should be enough for them to f.cuk off if they can't be a..rsed investing any further into the quality of the players on the pitch and keep Liverpool Football Club relevant for top honours.

To make do, is unacceptable whilst FSG plough $$$ into their next money spinning project.



LFC is probably the biggest investment in their balance sheet which allows FSG to raise funds relatively cheaper in would think. It's more important for them to have a profitable business than anything else. City has been making losses throughout and unless they are supported by their owners and owner friendly sponsors, they would go bust, a model FSG cannot adopt. Thus they are plotting along trying to qualify for CL and increase revenues, that's about it, anything better is a cherry on their cake, but not the target.

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They've certainly butchered the wage roll with this season alone bringing in 1 player = Konate and got rid of 5 players = Wilson, Awoniyi, Shaqiri, Grujic, Wijnaldum all this at a £-11.25m loss, however the salaries saved on 5 players would most definitely come out more favourable for them.

Last season we brought in 4 players (although I would argue Ben Davies was one brought in due to resale and not going to lay a glove on even a 1st team squad) Jota, Thiago, Tsimikas & Davies and got rid of 4 players Lovren, Ejaria, Lallana & Clyne at a £-58.91m loss.

Compare this to other midtable clubs and lower end clubs, you see a problem in our reluctance to spend within the realms of clubs whose no1 priority at the start of any season is to not be relegated.

West Ham - 20/21 season £-8.36m loss - 21/22 £-64.35m loss

Wolves - 20/21 £-7.74m loss - 21/22 £-4.41m loss

Brighton - 20/21 £-7.11m loss - 21/22 £-2.88m loss

Aston Villa - 20/21 £-88.72m loss - 21/22 £-2.54m loss

Leicester - 20/21 £-4.25m loss - 21/22 £-57.24m loss

Southampton - 20/21 £-9.90m loss - 21/22 +£15.54m profit

Crystal Palace - 20/21 £-2.16m loss - 21/22 £-66.09m loss

Brentford - 20/21 +£49.23m profit - 21/22 £-32.13m loss

Leeds - 20/21 £-96.12m loss - 21/22 £-53.01m loss

Everton - 20/21 £-63.40m loss - 21/22 +£5.85m profit

Norwich - 20/21 +£27.64m profit - 21/22 £-23.09m loss

Newcastle - 20/21 £-34.85m loss - 21/22 £-65.46m loss

Watford - 20/21 +£45.54m profit - 21/22 £-20.39m loss

Burnley - 20/21 +£1.08m profit - 21/22 +£6.66m profit

And yet this is where we are...transfer budgeted as a midtable or lower placed team!

Man City - 20/21 £-86.09m loss - 21/22 £-30.33m loss

Chelsea - 20/21 £-170.82m loss - 21/22 +£3.56m profit

Man Utd - 20/21 £-57.87m loss - 21/22 £-98.37m loss

Arsenal - 20/21 £-60.17m loss - 21/22 £-120.78m loss

Spurs - 20/21 £-87.48m loss - 21/22 £-30.78m loss

To look at those figures it is evident they are using COVID as an excuse not to have spent on strengthening after our CL & PL heroics. They doubled down on trimming the wage roll making us vulnerable from COVID itself, with absences and not having the players to come in and make us competitive to challenge for anything.

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There is no point posting all this info without disclosing a source. If it's as bad as the sources you use for your political arguments then you are indeed wasting our time!

Originally Posted By Pickles
They've certainly butchered the wage roll with this season alone bringing in 1 player = Konate and got rid of 5 players = Wilson, Awoniyi, Shaqiri, Grujic, Wijnaldum all this at a £-11.25m loss, however the salaries saved on 5 players would most definitely come out more favourable for them.

Last season we brought in 4 players (although I would argue Ben Davies was one brought in due to resale and not going to lay a glove on even a 1st team squad) Jota, Thiago, Tsimikas & Davies and got rid of 4 players Lovren, Ejaria, Lallana & Clyne at a £-58.91m loss.

Compare this to other midtable clubs and lower end clubs, you see a problem in our reluctance to spend within the realms of clubs whose no1 priority at the start of any season is to not be relegated.

West Ham - 20/21 season £-8.36m loss - 21/22 £-64.35m loss

Wolves - 20/21 £-7.74m loss - 21/22 £-4.41m loss

Brighton - 20/21 £-7.11m loss - 21/22 £-2.88m loss

Aston Villa - 20/21 £-88.72m loss - 21/22 £-2.54m loss

Leicester - 20/21 £-4.25m loss - 21/22 £-57.24m loss

Southampton - 20/21 £-9.90m loss - 21/22 +£15.54m profit

Crystal Palace - 20/21 £-2.16m loss - 21/22 £-66.09m loss

Brentford - 20/21 +£49.23m profit - 21/22 £-32.13m loss

Leeds - 20/21 £-96.12m loss - 21/22 £-53.01m loss

Everton - 20/21 £-63.40m loss - 21/22 +£5.85m profit

Norwich - 20/21 +£27.64m profit - 21/22 £-23.09m loss

Newcastle - 20/21 £-34.85m loss - 21/22 £-65.46m loss

Watford - 20/21 +£45.54m profit - 21/22 £-20.39m loss

Burnley - 20/21 +£1.08m profit - 21/22 +£6.66m profit

And yet this is where we are...transfer budgeted as a midtable or lower placed team!

Man City - 20/21 £-86.09m loss - 21/22 £-30.33m loss

Chelsea - 20/21 £-170.82m loss - 21/22 +£3.56m profit

Man Utd - 20/21 £-57.87m loss - 21/22 £-98.37m loss

Arsenal - 20/21 £-60.17m loss - 21/22 £-120.78m loss

Spurs - 20/21 £-87.48m loss - 21/22 £-30.78m loss

To look at those figures it is evident they are using COVID as an excuse not to have spent on strengthening after our CL & PL heroics. They doubled down on trimming the wage roll making us vulnerable from COVID itself, with absences and not having the players to come in and make us competitive to challenge for anything.

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I don’t know whether his facts are right but it’s clear to all klopp is trying to keep Liverpool challenging for major honours working with scraps


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We don't buy players to move them on at a profit and any we do buy we are looking to get their prime playing years out of them. So those loss figures are acceptable given that many of those leaving were part of CL and PL winning squads.

We sold Suarez and later Coutinho to fund success. Sorry but you can't make an omelette without cracking eggs.

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Originally Posted By AccaBoosty
We don't buy players to move them on at a profit and any we do buy we are looking to get their prime playing years out of them. So those loss figures are acceptable given that many of those leaving were part of CL and PL winning squads.

We sold Suarez and later Coutinho to fund success. Sorry but you can't make an omelette without cracking eggs.


We sold Suarez to fund success? Is this a joke. We sold Suarez and bought...Balotelli and Lallana. The issue is not really selling players but buying, we do not buy unless we sell, that's the whole point.

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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By AccaBoosty
We don't buy players to move them on at a profit and any we do buy we are looking to get their prime playing years out of them. So those loss figures are acceptable given that many of those leaving were part of CL and PL winning squads.

We sold Suarez and later Coutinho to fund success. Sorry but you can't make an omelette without cracking eggs.


We sold Suarez to fund success? Is this a joke. We sold Suarez and bought...Balotelli and Lallana. The issue is not really selling players but buying, we do not buy unless we sell, that's the whole point.


Klopp has always said he does not want a big squad with players with little chance of playing, so makes sense he is turning over the squad.

We recently bought Jota, Thiago, Kostas and Konate, just selling some fringe players like Grugic, Wilson, Shaq & Brewster etc.

Man City have not got a huge squad like Chelsea, but they have quality in depth, I think this is what Klopp wants. In the past we lost Firmino or Mane and we struggled, now we have someone like Jota, so there is not a real drop in quality, compared to when we had to use Origi etc.

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Originally Posted By ecnirp98
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By AccaBoosty
We don't buy players to move them on at a profit and any we do buy we are looking to get their prime playing years out of them. So those loss figures are acceptable given that many of those leaving were part of CL and PL winning squads.

We sold Suarez and later Coutinho to fund success. Sorry but you can't make an omelette without cracking eggs.


We sold Suarez to fund success? Is this a joke. We sold Suarez and bought...Balotelli and Lallana. The issue is not really selling players but buying, we do not buy unless we sell, that's the whole point.


Klopp has always said he does not want a big squad with players with little chance of playing, so makes sense he is turning over the squad.

We recently bought Jota, Thiago, Kostas and Konate, just selling some fringe players like Grugic, Wilson, Shaq & Brewster etc.

Man City have not got a huge squad like Chelsea, but they have quality in depth, I think this is what Klopp wants. In the past we lost Firmino or Mane and we struggled, now we have someone like Jota, so there is not a real drop in quality, compared to when we had to use Origi etc.


Therefore you mean, that's the best we can do, and beating City to the title is not possible unless you think we can beat City with our squad. I don't agree and I think we need to buy a CF to replace Firmino (or sell both Origi and Minamino) and a better RB, not sure if Neco is good enough. Midfield also I don't think we'll go far with Milner, Keita and Tiago.

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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
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Originally Posted By AccaBoosty
We don't buy players to move them on at a profit and any we do buy we are looking to get their prime playing years out of them. So those loss figures are acceptable given that many of those leaving were part of CL and PL winning squads.

We sold Suarez and later Coutinho to fund success. Sorry but you can't make an omelette without cracking eggs.


We sold Suarez to fund success? Is this a joke. We sold Suarez and bought...Balotelli and Lallana. The issue is not really selling players but buying, we do not buy unless we sell, that's the whole point.


Klopp has always said he does not want a big squad with players with little chance of playing, so makes sense he is turning over the squad.

We recently bought Jota, Thiago, Kostas and Konate, just selling some fringe players like Grugic, Wilson, Shaq & Brewster etc.

Man City have not got a huge squad like Chelsea, but they have quality in depth, I think this is what Klopp wants. In the past we lost Firmino or Mane and we struggled, now we have someone like Jota, so there is not a real drop in quality, compared to when we had to use Origi etc.


Therefore you mean, that's the best we can do, and beating City to the title is not possible unless you think we can beat City with our squad. I don't agree and I think we need to buy a CF to replace Firmino (or sell both Origi and Minamino) and a better RB, not sure if Neco is good enough. Midfield also I don't think we'll go far with Milner, Keita and Tiago.


I am not saying that is the best we can do, what I am saying is Klopp does not want a huge squad, I think what he wants is strength in depth, so you bring a player off the bench and they are as good quality as the player you are replacing, we do not have that now, Man City do, they take off Mahrez and bring on Sterling, or Jesus for Grealish etc, we have seen Origi or Minamino for Salah or Mane does not work, but Jota does now.

Like last season, we got Jota and we let Brewster & Shaq go, that was an improvement as we have seen, same with Konate, he has come in and it looks like we are trying to sell Philips, that is an improvement, 2 first team squad players brought in and 2 squad players let go, whio were likely never going to be regular first team players.

It looks like we are trying to get Diaz now, lots of links from good sources, I expect that will mean one of Firminho, Mane or Salah will be let go as their deals are coming to an end and getting older, I doubt Salah will be sold as we will want to keep him more, but if he does not sign the deal, we will sell I am sure.

I agree, we need to replace the Milners of this world, I still think Taki is a good player and would be useful on the bench, he has more to offer than an Origi IMO as he fits our style of play much better.


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