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#638203 - 23/06/21 09:44 AM What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ...
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What widely believed historical "fact" is actually totally false?

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#638232 - 30/06/21 06:18 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Dunk]
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That 81 million legal American people voted for Joe Biden on November 3rd 2020, who never did rallies but sat at home in his basement whilst Trump had thousands upon thousands of Legal American people show up to his rallies, even staging rallies along coastlines without Trump in attendance.

However it's slowly but surely unravelling for the attempted Presidential election steal. The forensic audit just completed in Maricopa County, Arizona is the first domino to fall...many more will follow. Trump will be re-installed by years end as the rightful winner and a lot of Deep state will be in Federal Prison, never seeing the light of day again.

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#638234 - 01/07/21 01:38 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Dunk]
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Another one... although it depends how you view historical in a sense of time?

6 FACTS ABOUT THE CHICOMM FLU BIOWEAPON VACCINES:

1) None are approved by any Food & Drug Administrations

2) ALL are considered experimental

3) None have completed initial research trials

4) ALL were allowed to SKIP animal trials

5) None will complete a research trial for 2-3 years

6) ALL are FREE from liability even if one kills you

So they are NOT Officially SAFE even though the media will tell you otherwise!

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#638309 - 17/07/21 02:52 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Pickles]
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Originally Posted By Pickles
Another one... although it depends how you view historical in a sense of time?

6 FACTS ABOUT THE CHICOMM FLU BIOWEAPON VACCINES:

1) None are approved by any Food & Drug Administrations

2) ALL are considered experimental

3) None have completed initial research trials

4) ALL were allowed to SKIP animal trials

5) None will complete a research trial for 2-3 years

6) ALL are FREE from liability even if one kills you

So they are NOT Officially SAFE even though the media will tell you otherwise!


So what was the alternative, wait for the vaccin for 10 years as for other vaccines? Anyway, it's already proven that those vaccinated have a much lower risk of dying of Covid. As for those who do not want to get vaccinated, it's ok, we all have to die sooner or later.

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#638310 - 17/07/21 02:55 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Pickles]
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Originally Posted By Pickles
That 81 million legal American people voted for Joe Biden on November 3rd 2020, who never did rallies but sat at home in his basement whilst Trump had thousands upon thousands of Legal American people show up to his rallies, even staging rallies along coastlines without Trump in attendance.

However it's slowly but surely unravelling for the attempted Presidential election steal. The forensic audit just completed in Maricopa County, Arizona is the first domino to fall...many more will follow. Trump will be re-installed by years end as the rightful winner and a lot of Deep state will be in Federal Prison, never seeing the light of day again.



OMG, anyway keep hoping, what can I say, just as your revolution which never happened in Jan laugh

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#638479 - 18/08/21 07:08 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Pickles
That 81 million legal American people voted for Joe Biden on November 3rd 2020, who never did rallies but sat at home in his basement whilst Trump had thousands upon thousands of Legal American people show up to his rallies, even staging rallies along coastlines without Trump in attendance.

However it's slowly but surely unravelling for the attempted Presidential election steal. The forensic audit just completed in Maricopa County, Arizona is the first domino to fall...many more will follow. Trump will be re-installed by years end as the rightful winner and a lot of Deep state will be in Federal Prison, never seeing the light of day again.



OMG, anyway keep hoping, what can I say, just as your revolution which never happened in Jan laugh


No it didnt and look at the genius we got instead
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#638484 - 22/08/21 04:55 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Pickles
That 81 million legal American people voted for Joe Biden on November 3rd 2020, who never did rallies but sat at home in his basement whilst Trump had thousands upon thousands of Legal American people show up to his rallies, even staging rallies along coastlines without Trump in attendance.

However it's slowly but surely unravelling for the attempted Presidential election steal. The forensic audit just completed in Maricopa County, Arizona is the first domino to fall...many more will follow. Trump will be re-installed by years end as the rightful winner and a lot of Deep state will be in Federal Prison, never seeing the light of day again.



OMG, anyway keep hoping, what can I say, just as your revolution which never happened in Jan laugh


No it didnt and look at the genius we got instead


Which genuis did you get and how is he upsetting you?

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#638501 - 23/08/21 05:54 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Biden and the unnecessary catastrophe in Afghanistan

He will be defined as utterly useless and not in control,. And donít tell me the withdrawal was agreed by trump Biden is the president he could have overridden anything trump agreed and Biden was responsible for the chaotic exit
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#638519 - 25/08/21 02:53 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Biden and the unnecessary catastrophe in Afghanistan

He will be defined as utterly useless and not in control,. And donít tell me the withdrawal was agreed by trump Biden is the president he could have overridden anything trump agreed and Biden was responsible for the chaotic exit


As you said Trump is the one who negotiated the deal with the Taliban, there should be consistency of state internationally, else, what would an agreement be worth, not everyone is Boris who went back to the EU to review May's agreement, and please do not compare the EU to the Taliban. As for the exit, it's not a new president who would be doing the planning, it's done by government officials and dont tell me the US and UK troops should have stayed and if you really think so, why don't you ask Boris to negotiate with the Taliban for an extension

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#638521 - 25/08/21 04:44 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EnergisedReds]
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No nato country could stay without the support of the Americans Biden arranged the catastrophic withdrawal and could have overturned anything trump agreed he is the American president allegedly.

Of course he has advisers but he is in charge

If you are a big fan of his you are the only person in the world that is, even Democrat newspapers and news channels are against him.

I would say he is a laughing stock except there is nothing funny about this


Edited by Stanley Park (25/08/21 04:45 PM)
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#638522 - 26/08/21 05:21 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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No nato country could stay without the support of the Americans Biden arranged the catastrophic withdrawal and could have overturned anything trump agreed he is the American president allegedly.

Of course he has advisers but he is in charge

If you are a big fan of his you are the only person in the world that is, even Democrat newspapers and news channels are against him.

I would say he is a laughing stock except there is nothing funny about this


The only reason for overturning Trump's decision would have been the Americans wanting to stay there, did you want them to stay there?

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#638523 - 27/08/21 09:32 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Yes I think we should have stayed in Afghanistan indefinitely and so do many military and political commentators including Rory Stewart who knows more about Afghanistan than you or me. We should have had small permanent bases with air support let the Afghan army do the ground fighting. Once we left them it was inevitable the Afghan army would fold.

Now we are in a very vulnerable position strategically and once again exposed to major terrorist attacks like 9/11.

But even if you disagree with above the organisation of the withdrawal has been catastrophic and itís clear Biden is a dangerous liability and incapable of functioning probably in any capacity
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#638534 - 30/08/21 07:22 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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Yes I think we should have stayed in Afghanistan indefinitely and so do many military and political commentators including Rory Stewart who knows more about Afghanistan than you or me. We should have had small permanent bases with air support let the Afghan army do the ground fighting. Once we left them it was inevitable the Afghan army would fold.

Now we are in a very vulnerable position strategically and once again exposed to major terrorist attacks like 9/11.

But even if you disagree with above the organisation of the withdrawal has been catastrophic and itís clear Biden is a dangerous liability and incapable of functioning probably in any capacity


I don't think it was possible for Biden to have stayed after that the US had already negotiated a truce with the Taliban, otherwise, what credibility would the US have internationally, an agreement cannot be dependent on a country head, yes there can be a new agreement if the other party wants to negotiate, but you cannot just go back and say, it was my predecessor who signed the deal. A country head represents a country, not himself.

As for staying there, you are probably right, but this is not what Americans wanted/voted for as much as I remember, maybe Trump should have understood and explained the danger for Americans themselves.

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#638538 - 30/08/21 05:33 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EnergisedReds]
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I donít agree thereís plenty Biden could have negotiated around the trump deal. But even if not I think we must all agree the execution of the withdrawal has been an utter disaster.

One that I think will have far reaching implications and not in a good way.
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#638541 - 31/08/21 02:55 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I donít agree thereís plenty Biden could have negotiated around the trump deal. But even if not I think we must all agree the execution of the withdrawal has been an utter disaster.

One that I think will have far reaching implications and not in a good way.


You mean renegotiate a deal, by saying what, Trump was not supposed to negotiate, it was Trupm's deal, not US? I don't think that would have been right unless the Taliban were ok ti do it, in any case it was postponed by a few months. The only thing i don't understand is why the repatriation didnt start earlier, they all knew it would happen a year back. Only the French started early

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#638549 - 31/08/21 11:35 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EnergisedReds]
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The organisation of it was a shambles by the US. And Biden must and will take responsibility for that. Even the Democrat media have turned against him. The ultra liberal New York Times being one,

Biden could have managed the situation, he didnít that will go down in history

Thereís also concern in his press conferences he doesnít seem to have any gravitas or mental capacity.
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#638556 - 31/08/21 04:26 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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The organisation of it was a shambles by the US. And Biden must and will take responsibility for that. Even the Democrat media have turned against him. The ultra liberal New York Times being one,

Biden could have managed the situation, he didnít that will go down in history

Thereís also concern in his press conferences he doesnít seem to have any gravitas or mental capacity.


How could he have managed differently?

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#638557 - 31/08/21 04:48 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EnergisedReds]
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I donít know I am not in charge of the USA. But if I was in charge I would secure the area with sufficient forces to ensure an orderly withdrawal I would not allow the Taliban to direct events. I would also prepare for press conferences and if I had health issues I would not have stood for the job.
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#638559 - 31/08/21 05:02 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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I donít know I am not in charge of the USA. But if I was in charge I would secure the area with sufficient forces to ensure an orderly withdrawal I would not allow the Taliban to direct events. I would also prepare for press conferences and if I had health issues I would not have stood for the job.


Well, they increased forces on the ground but it was never going to be orderly because nobody expected the corrupt Afgan government to fall so quickly, those who wanted to leave had a full year to leave, why did they wait for the last week? Some 150000 people were evacuated, I wonder how many more was required

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#638568 - 01/09/21 08:00 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EnergisedReds]
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I expected the corrupt Afghan government to fall quickly and so did many generals and political commentators. It was obvious. But I donít know all the detail nor should I, I am not the American president. But I know an international disaster when I see it.

I had never heard of Biden before the election. But reading about him he has always been in government behind the scenes but never shown the qualities of president I believe Obama used to roll his eyes at mention of him.

I think the democrats were so desperate to get rid of trump they never gave any thought to the quality of the candidate to replace him.
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#638582 - 02/09/21 06:53 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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I expected the corrupt Afghan government to fall quickly and so did many generals and political commentators. It was obvious. But I donít know all the detail nor should I, I am not the American president. But I know an international disaster when I see it.

I had never heard of Biden before the election. But reading about him he has always been in government behind the scenes but never shown the qualities of president I believe Obama used to roll his eyes at mention of him.

I think the democrats were so desperate to get rid of trump they never gave any thought to the quality of the candidate to replace him.



You might be right but on the Afghanistan withdrawal, can't see what else he could have done after that a deal was negotiated with the Taliban, if I am not mistaken, it was postponed by a few months. A country cannot unilaterally decide not to respect an agreement because a government has changed, this is wrong.

Just as a matter of interest, there were UK troops in Afghanistan, were you against them coming back, would you have preferred them to stay there, and if yes, for how long? Does the majority of UK citizens wanted the UK troops to stay there?

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#638584 - 02/09/21 09:00 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EnergisedReds]
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I donít know what the majority of uk citizens want I only know my own opinion.

However 457 British soldiers died in Afghanistan and many more maimed the relatives and surviving soldiers have been on TV saying it was all for nothing.

My opinion is we should have stayed indefinitely with a small force and let the Afghan army do the fighting I donít believe they would have folded then. Every action has consequences and now Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan are more or less tinder boxes of Islamic terrorism and if they get a nuclear device ever they would most certainly use it.

Both Biden and trump are to blame but Biden to me looks way out of his depth
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#638585 - 02/09/21 12:31 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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Trump did more damage to the usa and the world than any human ever..(if u can call that fat pig human) ..

he was one yes man away from destroying the usa, if that AG said yes to his request to call the election stolen, then millions of americans be dead now.
Sure Biden is just another corporate scumbag but even a corporate scumbag is better than a corporate fat nazi vile piece of crap

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#638586 - 02/09/21 12:33 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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Trump did more damage to the usa and the world than any human ever..(if u can call that fat pig human) ..

he was one yes man away from destroying the usa, if that AG said yes to his request to call the election stolen, then millions of americans be dead now.
Sure Biden is just another corporate scumbag but even a corporate scumbag is better than a corporate fat nazi vile piece of crap


You must be loving this emp ? The west humiliated and powerless going forward all your dreams coming true
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#638587 - 02/09/21 12:36 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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well marx did call it, he said capitalism will eat itself and it looks like it. Americans voted in a fat nazi,u voted in a fat moron and both countries are falling apart.

there is an opportunity to cast the private corporations out and have proper enlightenment western civilizations like we should have... its gonna be close but i still think we are all doomed sadly... thanks largely to morons like u

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#638590 - 02/09/21 01:26 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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All you need is Iran to drop a nuclear bomb on Israel and your contentment will know no bounds you will need a new string vest
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#638592 - 02/09/21 03:16 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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All you need is Iran to drop a nuclear bomb on Israel and your contentment will know no bounds you will need a new string vest



you sound just like boris or the daily mail..tis no wonder ur country is falling apart

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#638593 - 02/09/21 03:21 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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I donít know what the majority of uk citizens want I only know my own opinion.

However 457 British soldiers died in Afghanistan and many more maimed the relatives and surviving soldiers have been on TV saying it was all for nothing.

My opinion is we should have stayed indefinitely with a small force and let the Afghan army do the fighting I donít believe they would have folded then. Every action has consequences and now Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan are more or less tinder boxes of Islamic terrorism and if they get a nuclear device ever they would most certainly use it.

Both Biden and trump are to blame but Biden to me looks way out of his depth


Ok if you wanted your boys to stay indefinitely there but from what I understood, the majority of Americans wanted their boys back, this is why both Trump and Biden agreed on this, it's democracy as you used to call it after the referendum. I would also have preferred the troops to stay there but I can really blame tge families of the soldiers who wanted their boys back. Last but not least, I don't think a new government can choose not to respect an agreement agreed by the predecessor, especially a democratic state, you sign an agreement with a state but not with a person

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#638597 - 02/09/21 06:23 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EnergisedReds]
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I donít think thatís true agree the agreement. In British constitution no government can bind a successor. For obvious reasons.
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#638601 - 03/09/21 07:19 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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I donít think thatís true agree the agreement. In British constitution no government can bind a successor. For obvious reasons.


In international deals? So in an international agreement your government would add that 'provided there is no change in government' in the document to be signed? Sorry I don't think this is done like that. There should be continuity of state but of course the agreement should follow the constitution of a country, this is why you have your attorney general advising on these things before signing an agreement.

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#638603 - 03/09/21 09:55 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Yes you are correct to a point. But the new government can still make foreign policy. A classic example is brexit the UK government is re-negotiating with the EU over Northern Ireland protocol.

The Taliban hold fewer cards than we think they are in grave danger of the government collapsing and the country ending up in civil war and or total breakdown.

So they need the west Biden could have negotiated a more stable withdrawal quite easy and maybe renegotiated more stable terms. In fact any responsible or competent president would have done. I also read many of bidens military advisers were opposed to his stance
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#638612 - 04/09/21 02:36 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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Yes you are correct to a point. But the new government can still make foreign policy. A classic example is brexit the UK government is re-negotiating with the EU over Northern Ireland protocol.

The Taliban hold fewer cards than we think they are in grave danger of the government collapsing and the country ending up in civil war and or total breakdown.

So they need the west Biden could have negotiated a more stable withdrawal quite easy and maybe renegotiated more stable terms. In fact any responsible or competent president would have done. I also read many of bidens military advisers were opposed to his stance


You cannot compare the EU to the Taliban, the EU was not in war with UK, you are really talking crap now, how can you even compare that? Maybe you should ask yourself why Trump negotiated such a deal, that said, unless the US wanted to stay there for maybe a full generation, I can't see how it could have been otherwise, the Afghan governments have always been corrupt and unreliable.

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#638616 - 05/09/21 11:50 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EnergisedReds]
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I was not comparing the EU to the Taliban merely giving the example of where international agreements can be renegotiated. Biden had ample opportunity to amend whatever bush agreed particularly as the Taliban need foreign aid to stop their country from collapsing.

Read and understand what I said before blowing your top.
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#638639 - 06/09/21 07:08 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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I was not comparing the EU to the Taliban merely giving the example of where international agreements can be renegotiated. Biden had ample opportunity to amend whatever bush agreed particularly as the Taliban need foreign aid to stop their country from collapsing.

Read and understand what I said before blowing your top.


Exactly what I said, international agreements can be renegotiated if both parties are willing. What could Biden have told the Taliban to renegotiate, we changed governments? What Boris did with the EU is not something normal, but the EU wanted an orderly withdrawal and the majority of MPs were not happy with May's deal. For the US, Afghanistan had become a huge problem, the majority of Anericans wanted their army back. In any case, what did you want Biden to renegotiate, to stay there?

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#638640 - 06/09/21 08:07 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Biden could have negotiated an orderly withdrawal not my opinion the whole world feels that including Democrat america he could have set conditions on the withdrawal. The 1975 Saigon evacuation was seen as a disaster but compared to Biden it was highly efficient in 1975 American ditched weapons in the sea today the Taliban have American black hawks and heavy artillery. Biden could have negotiated safe passage there are still American British and European citizens stuck in Afghanistan.

I get you donít like trump but that doesnít mean you have to defend the dangerously incompetent man who replaced him
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#638642 - 06/09/21 10:19 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Biden could have negotiated an orderly withdrawal not my opinion the whole world feels that including Democrat america he could have set conditions on the withdrawal. The 1975 Saigon evacuation was seen as a disaster but compared to Biden it was highly efficient in 1975 American ditched weapons in the sea today the Taliban have American black hawks and heavy artillery. Biden could have negotiated safe passage there are still American British and European citizens stuck in Afghanistan.

I get you donít like trump but that doesnít mean you have to defend the dangerously incompetent man who replaced him



lol dangerously incompetent --this from a man who lauds boris lol.. uk is literally going to end, its in the toilet and u making remarks about biden lol

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#638643 - 07/09/21 02:28 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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Biden could have negotiated an orderly withdrawal not my opinion the whole world feels that including Democrat america he could have set conditions on the withdrawal. The 1975 Saigon evacuation was seen as a disaster but compared to Biden it was highly efficient in 1975 American ditched weapons in the sea today the Taliban have American black hawks and heavy artillery. Biden could have negotiated safe passage there are still American British and European citizens stuck in Afghanistan.

I get you donít like trump but that doesnít mean you have to defend the dangerously incompetent man who replaced him



Do you think anybody told Biden that the Taliban would take over the country in a week? I don't even understand why there were still so many US and UK citizens when everybody knew that the army was withdrawing more than a year before it happened, in fact, the withdrawal was postponed by 3 months. What were they waiting for ti leave? I think everybody thought the Afghan army would be able to resist for at least a few months and especially in Kabul. As for Saigon, it was completely different, the government in power was not pro American.

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#638645 - 07/09/21 11:23 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EnergisedReds]
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I donít think the government in power today is pro American and has done long term and possibly permanent damage to American influence Russia and China can not believe their luck.

Presidents are not judged on excuses they are judged on results.

And this is a historic disaster and bidens responsibility
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#638650 - 07/09/21 05:07 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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I donít think the government in power today is pro American and has done long term and possibly permanent damage to American influence Russia and China can not believe their luck.

Presidents are not judged on excuses they are judged on results.

And this is a historic disaster and bidens responsibility


What luck Russia got from US withdrawal from Afghanistan? China will have access to copper mines, but Russia, not sure what you mean. As for results, what do you think the US citizens expected in Afghanistan, I understand the majority were for the withdrawal

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#638653 - 08/09/21 10:18 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EnergisedReds]
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Russia wonít benefit from the return of Afghanistan to a rouge state given it borders it. But both Russia and China will decline from American world influence following the rapid decline under Biden.

America is weak with a president who is probably not a well man health wise.

That leaves the door open for China and Russia. Sadly China is well on track to be the worlds superpower and I feel for future generations.
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#638654 - 08/09/21 11:44 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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yeah bring back trump, kissed putins balls in public and came close to destroying democracy in usa.

u liking boris's historic tax rises ? another lie hey, to add to the millions of others. And would anyone actually trust them with more money? just go to their mates, sisters or publandlords ... joke of a govt

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#638655 - 08/09/21 03:43 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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yeah bring back trump, kissed putins balls in public and came close to destroying democracy in usa.

u liking boris's historic tax rises ? another lie hey, to add to the millions of others. And would anyone actually trust them with more money? just go to their mates, sisters or publandlords ... joke of a govt


Your posts are the highlight of my day emp
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#638656 - 08/09/21 08:03 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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i imagine so, everyday paying into the tories bumchum fund must be heartbreaking .. still u can always move, oh wait u can't lol

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#638657 - 09/09/21 11:53 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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i imagine so, everyday paying into the tories bumchum fund must be heartbreaking .. still u can always move, oh wait u can't lol


You pay more attention to British politics than most British people itís worth noting you are not British nor do you live in Britain. You live in Ireland an entirely seperate nation which has its own political parties and no doubt political debate in Ireland. Out of interest do you pay any attention at all to Irish politics and if you do which political party over there meets with Emp,s approval ?
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#638658 - 09/09/21 01:07 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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Russia wonít benefit from the return of Afghanistan to a rouge state given it borders it. But both Russia and China will decline from American world influence following the rapid decline under Biden.

America is weak with a president who is probably not a well man health wise.

That leaves the door open for China and Russia. Sadly China is well on track to be the worlds superpower and I feel for future generations.


Well, funny enough, it was Trump who was threatening to dismantle Nato, and was fighting with his allies but winking to Putin. At least Biden stopped that. As for Afghanistan, the US voters wanted the US out...after 20 years and the process started well before Biden. China has been on track for World superpower for a couple of decades ago, dont tell me you think that it just started since Biden came in a few months back

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#638659 - 09/09/21 04:14 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EnergisedReds]
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O of course I donít think China gaining power started with Biden donít be silly. However having a weak American president certainly wonít harm chinaís ambitions at all.
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#638660 - 10/09/21 09:02 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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O of course I donít think China gaining power started with Biden donít be silly. However having a weak American president certainly wonít harm chinaís ambitions at all.


What makes you think he is weak?

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#638661 - 10/09/21 10:32 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EnergisedReds]
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O of course I donít think China gaining power started with Biden donít be silly. However having a weak American president certainly wonít harm chinaís ambitions at all.


What makes you think he is weak?


All commentators including many in democrat america agree the withdrawal from Afghanistan was a disaster in terms of how it was managed. In press conferences he is closely managed by aides Obama did not rate him when Obama was president. But letís wait and see how his term pans out but so far the signs are not good. You seem a big fan though ?
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#638662 - 10/09/21 01:26 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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i imagine so, everyday paying into the tories bumchum fund must be heartbreaking .. still u can always move, oh wait u can't lol


You pay more attention to British politics than most British people itís worth noting you are not British nor do you live in Britain. You live in Ireland an entirely seperate nation which has its own political parties and no doubt political debate in Ireland. Out of interest do you pay any attention at all to Irish politics and if you do which political party over there meets with Emp,s approval ?


you are right i do spend more time than most british people..who seem happy to be told how to feel by pathetic red top papers..maybe more people in the uk should wake up to horrible tories like urself.

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#638663 - 11/09/21 11:45 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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Or maybe British people are able to think for themselves and donít all agree with a mad Irishman in cork. Just a thought !
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#638664 - 11/09/21 01:54 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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O of course I donít think China gaining power started with Biden donít be silly. However having a weak American president certainly wonít harm chinaís ambitions at all.


What makes you think he is weak?


All commentators including many in democrat america agree the withdrawal from Afghanistan was a disaster in terms of how it was managed. In press conferences he is closely managed by aides Obama did not rate him when Obama was president. But letís wait and see how his term pans out but so far the signs are not good. You seem a big fan though ?


Big fan no, but going back on some of Trump's decisions yes, such as COP 21 commitments which Trump withdrew from, rekindled the relationship with US allies which were tense under Trump, his measures to fight Covid, even the Stock …changes in US responded very well with his govt measures. He hasn't done anything great but got the basics right, especially correcting Trumps mistakes

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#638665 - 11/09/21 02:09 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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Or maybe British people are able to think for themselves and donít all agree with a mad Irishman in cork. Just a thought !


they wanna start agreeing with me , uk can hardly sink any lower than it is right now. shambles of a country

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#638666 - 11/09/21 06:13 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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Or maybe British people are able to think for themselves and donít all agree with a mad Irishman in cork. Just a thought !


they wanna start agreeing with me , uk can hardly sink any lower than it is right now. shambles of a country


Yeah because thatís definitely going to happen isnít it ?
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#638667 - 11/09/21 06:18 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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You still havenít told us which Irish political party you support ?

Or is Irish politics so irrelevant you prefer to advise people in a foreign nation ?
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#638689 - 14/09/21 05:51 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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You still havenít told us which Irish political party you support ?

Or is Irish politics so irrelevant you prefer to advise people in a foreign nation ?


it is incumbent on all of us to get rid of the lunatic far right in society , all society anywhere. we are million miles away from the actual societies we should have but having to defeat evil morons is sadly what we are faced with currently .

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#638691 - 14/09/21 03:10 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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You still havenít told us which Irish political party you support ?

Or is Irish politics so irrelevant you prefer to advise people in a foreign nation ?


it is incumbent on all of us to get rid of the lunatic far right in society , all society anywhere. we are million miles away from the actual societies we should have but having to defeat evil morons is sadly what we are faced with currently .


So the answer is clear you have no interest whatsoever in politics in your own nation but plenty to say about other nations. Itís a great compliment to Britain that we are so interesting
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#638727 - 18/09/21 09:23 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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You still havenít told us which Irish political party you support ?

Or is Irish politics so irrelevant you prefer to advise people in a foreign nation ?


it is incumbent on all of us to get rid of the lunatic far right in society , all society anywhere. we are million miles away from the actual societies we should have but having to defeat evil morons is sadly what we are faced with currently .


So the answer is clear you have no interest whatsoever in politics in your own nation but plenty to say about other nations. Itís a great compliment to Britain that we are so interesting


Society falling apart and u making up compliments..nice.

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#638729 - 18/09/21 12:35 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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The truth is Irish politics is an irrelevance even you as an Irish citizen have no interest in it. Thatís because Ireland is a vassal of the EU they control your country lock stock and barrel

If I was in your position like you I would be more interested in British politics. British politics is not perfect but at least it means something
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#638732 - 18/09/21 04:24 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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The truth is Irish politics is an irrelevance even you as an Irish citizen have no interest in it. Thatís because Ireland is a vassal of the EU they control your country lock stock and barrel

If I was in your position like you I would be more interested in British politics. British politics is not perfect but at least it means something

yes thats the truth.. if u read the daily mail and are a proper patriot like u .. cuckoo land

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#638736 - 18/09/21 10:30 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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We agree on something then
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#638737 - 19/09/21 05:36 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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We agree on something then


that u live in cloud cuckoo land..yes. but are u not ashamed ?

flags and saying horrible stuff about non whites can't be worth the shambles of a country, u right wing tabloid morons, have inflicted on urselfs.

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#638743 - 19/09/21 11:17 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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We voted for a conservative government not hitler but whoever we vote for itís our business

Without googling it I could not even name whoever the Irish government is and Ireland is next door you are simply a vassal of the EU who are your real government
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#638746 - 19/09/21 10:30 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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you voted for right wing moron idiots that are doing what they do, making people poorer and giving their mates money.

everything they say is a lie, like literally everything they say is a lie.

ur country is falling apart and the worry i see now for my country is that the right wingers will do what they do, make people poorer and stir up violence to distract them,,, what u lot are currently doing again in the n.ireland.. absolute wanks u right wing morons.

vassal of the eu signing out lol



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#638748 - 20/09/21 01:33 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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We probably have the most left wing conservative government in history raising taxes and public expenditure massive climate change targets. And the country is doing pretty well certainly none of the lurid doom predictions of the remain campaign have come true. Is our government perfect ? Certainly not but the chances of a lefty looney government of the type you propose are pretty much zero. You still havenít told me which party you support in your native Ireland or is it so irrelevant you have no view ?
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#638750 - 20/09/21 06:13 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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lol left wing thats hilarious .

tories are the same as always.. like robin hood in reverse ..rob the poor to pay their pub landlords.


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#638756 - 21/09/21 11:56 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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lol left wing thats hilarious .

tories are the same as always.. like robin hood in reverse ..rob the poor to pay their pub landlords.


Then why do they get elected so often ? Including the red wall working class communities in the north and midlands ? I am afraid the British people donít see the world the same as our overseas mad Irish revolutionary. You still have not answered what party you support in your own country
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#638758 - 21/09/21 02:41 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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lol left wing thats hilarious .

tories are the same as always.. like robin hood in reverse ..rob the poor to pay their pub landlords.


Then why do they get elected so often ? Including the red wall working class communities in the north and midlands ? I am afraid the British people donít see the world the same as our overseas mad Irish revolutionary. You still have not answered what party you support in your own country


yes i wonder how tories even get one vote.baffles me. like normal people looking in just see right thru ur type. red top newspapers and being horrible seems to appeal to uk people ..must be an ex-imperial power thing.

course it will all go horribly wrong for the uk people like thatcher .. the tories current strategy is make them poorer , stop them protesting and stop them voting and maybe throw in a bit of n.ireland violence next year when the dup are projected to lose the election.

the only people who should vote tory are their mates and whatever russian gangster gave them money. truly baffles that uk people can vote against their own interests .

love how u dropped in climate change as a positive tory policy bty lol.. u being a ardent climate change denier and all

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#638759 - 21/09/21 07:48 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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Well the one crisis we do have in the UK is the soaring cost of energy thanks to the global warming lobby with wind farms where the wind doesnít blow and we are reliant on Russian gas. I am not a climate change denier, the climate has changed regularly since the earth was born.

Itís whether man is causing it, is the question. And even if it is Britain only produces 1% of the worlds emissions we could go back to the Stone Age and it would make not a heap of a difference.

Why not turn some of your global warming activism to China where it might make a difference.

And you have still not told me which political party you support in Ireland proving my point the politics in Ireland is irrelevant not to me, to you
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#638762 - 22/09/21 05:58 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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Well the one crisis we do have in the UK is the soaring cost of energy thanks to the global warming lobby with wind farms where the wind doesnít blow and we are reliant on Russian gas. I am not a climate change denier, the climate has changed regularly since the earth was born.

Itís whether man is causing it, is the question. And even if it is Britain only produces 1% of the worlds emissions we could go back to the Stone Age and it would make not a heap of a difference.

Why not turn some of your global warming activism to China where it might make a difference.

And you have still not told me which political party you support in Ireland proving my point the politics in Ireland is irrelevant not to me, to you


i had long arguments with you about global warming, u said its just the weather and a lefty agenda.. despite 99% of scientists giving dire warnings.. u are a moron lets be fair. a patriotic moron but still a moron.

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#638763 - 22/09/21 06:45 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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and the gas prices is down to one thing. the shambles that is the right wing tabloid nothing to them blaggard useless fecker govt u elected. everything they touch will fall apart and the only people to profit will be eton people.

"eat out to help out" at the peak of a pandemic lol

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#638765 - 22/09/21 11:28 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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In the past few weeks the British government has opened mothballed coal fired power stations to keep the lights on given the still days over past two months. This is a major crisis and going to get a lot worse.

Scientists might be giving dire warnings I remember similar when I was at school warning of ice age. But even if the scientists are right Britain only produces 1% of world emissions but no lefty will go near the real problem China.

Lefties are supposed to care about the poor, but harm the poor and hate the poor from what I can see. The global warming industries next trick is going to be food shortages which our government has only just held off.

If the lights go out the lefties need to own it and I wish them the very best of luck
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#638766 - 22/09/21 01:20 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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In the past few weeks the British government has opened mothballed coal fired power stations to keep the lights on given the still days over past two months. This is a major crisis and going to get a lot worse.

Scientists might be giving dire warnings I remember similar when I was at school warning of ice age. But even if the scientists are right Britain only produces 1% of world emissions but no lefty will go near the real problem China.

Lefties are supposed to care about the poor, but harm the poor and hate the poor from what I can see. The global warming industries next trick is going to be food shortages which our government has only just held off.

If the lights go out the lefties need to own it and I wish them the very best of luck


the hell u talking bout , horrible tories been in power for years.. u sound like the texans blaming windpower when they froze their own population. lunatic liars

u have food shortages , excess covid deaths, more poverty and a freezing cold winter coming because u voted in right wing self interested morons ..that is the only reason.

tories should get .00000000005 of the vote.. horrible people doing horrible things.

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#638771 - 23/09/21 11:55 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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The fact is this green energy is really going to hurt poor people households are paying nearly double over last year. By all means move away from coal but they should have pushed nuclear and shale as back up.

Agreed the tories are responsible but had Corbyn been in power I can hardly see him promoting nuclear and shale. We are also way too quick to abandon coal.
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#638772 - 23/09/21 12:05 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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corbyn was ur last chance at remaining even normal but definitely ur last chance to improve. to vote in those pack of complete morons is , well just look at the state of things. shambolic is not even close to describing boris and his crew of trump style idiots. i see the voters are starting to turn already tho, shame they couldn't see the obvious

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#638775 - 23/09/21 03:06 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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corbyn was ur last chance at remaining even normal but definitely ur last chance to improve. to vote in those pack of complete morons is , well just look at the state of things. shambolic is not even close to describing boris and his crew of trump style idiots. i see the voters are starting to turn already tho, shame they couldn't see the obvious


I am sure the British people are fascinated with how the mad Irishman thinks they should vote and will vote accordingly at the next election. However even if we elect labour (a near impossibility with the seats and loss of Scotland, loss red wall) it will be starmer not corbyn or anyone like him. We still await the Irish voting choice of our Irish voter he looks to be keeping that a big secret
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#638776 - 24/09/21 06:07 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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take about 10yrs till u get a party that runs on rejoining the eu and they will win.

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#638781 - 25/09/21 12:56 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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take about 10yrs till u get a party that runs on rejoining the eu and they will win.


Letís hope that is as accurate as every other of your predictions for the uk. Pity you donít take any interest whatsoever in the politics of your own country.
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#638782 - 26/09/21 06:18 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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take about 10yrs till u get a party that runs on rejoining the eu and they will win.


Letís hope that is as accurate as every other of your predictions for the uk. Pity you donít take any interest whatsoever in the politics of your own country.


its a pity the uk is such a trump like right wing nut job place now. shambles

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#638785 - 26/09/21 10:57 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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Britain has always been centre right perhaps other than a brief period after World War Two and even then the Labour Party were patriots. The only time since the 70,s labour have gained office is under Blair and now starmer is trying to go centre right.

Thatís the reality hardly extremist simply most people believe in stable government

As for nut jobs they are on the far right and far left neither will gain power ever in Britain

You continually wonít tell us your politics in Ireland but I suspect your views are nothing like the majority of Irish people. Who the nut job is, is very clear
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#638786 - 26/09/21 11:37 AM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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center right lol u have a racist for a pm lol and ur country is falling apart .. u elect from red top moron preaching .. elites telling the stupid plebs to vote against their own interests.

poor getting poorer and tory bumchums getting richer

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#638792 - 26/09/21 01:41 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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Originally Posted By EMP
center right lol u have a racist for a pm lol and ur country is falling apart .. u elect from red top moron preaching .. elites telling the stupid plebs to vote against their own interests.

poor getting poorer and tory bumchums getting richer


As I say the nut job is clear
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#638794 - 26/09/21 02:39 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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ur all nuts yes that is clear.. boris and nigel and the red tops promised the uk was going to be so much better.. instead the obvious happened, morons ripping ur country apart. the uk is a joke now, and ur going to waste 10 or 20yrs in crap before a recovery will happen .. pathetic

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#638796 - 26/09/21 04:29 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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Originally Posted By EMP
ur all nuts yes that is clear.. boris and nigel and the red tops promised the uk was going to be so much better.. instead the obvious happened, morons ripping ur country apart. the uk is a joke now, and ur going to waste 10 or 20yrs in crap before a recovery will happen .. pathetic


Even if all that was true none of it will affect you, you are Irish living in a separate country one ruled by the EU. Your Irish political allegiance will forever be a secret
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#638799 - 26/09/21 05:52 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By EMP
ur all nuts yes that is clear.. boris and nigel and the red tops promised the uk was going to be so much better.. instead the obvious happened, morons ripping ur country apart. the uk is a joke now, and ur going to waste 10 or 20yrs in crap before a recovery will happen .. pathetic


Even if all that was true none of it will affect you, you are Irish living in a separate country one ruled by the EU. Your Irish political allegiance will forever be a secret


that kinda narrow mindedness is one of reasons ur country is going back to the dark ages... everyone is effected , we have to keep a close eye on u nutters. u have a proclivity for violence and at the moment extreme stupidity

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#638800 - 26/09/21 06:15 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: EMP]
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Well if we need to know about extreme stupidity you are normally the one we go to
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#638802 - 26/09/21 06:38 PM Re: What widely believed historical "fact" is actually ... [Re: Stanley Park]
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