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#627411 - 16/09/19 01:37 PM
Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election?
[Re: Stanley Park]
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The commission are the equivalent of the EU government they might be elected of the leaders of the countries but they are not elected by the public. And how the single candidate is chosen is a mystery to the public. I would also bet 99% of the public could not even name the leader of the EU, I would also bet 99% could not even name their MEP I take a high interest in politics and I could not name my MEP nor I am aware of anything the MEP has done. I don't doubt he or she works hard but they are entirely detached from the public gaze. That's not Democracy and I doubt the good people of Mauritius would tolerate being ruled like that 2 things there, in a number of countries the government is not elected directly by the public, for example US, France where you don't need to be an MP to be a minister. In UK and Mauritius, all ministers have to be elected as MP first and to be honest, I think this is not always good, sometimes I would prefer to have an expert economist as our finance minister for example. So saying the EU is undemocratic because of that would mean that France and the US are undemocratic as well. Also, if the public don't know their MEP, who is to blame, the public or the EU? In any case, for a number of decisions unanimous agreement is required by the country governments, like for example trade deals or other major decisions.
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#627414 - 16/09/19 04:48 PM
Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election?
[Re: EnergisedReds]
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Registered: 21/10/09
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The commission are the equivalent of the EU government they might be elected of the leaders of the countries but they are not elected by the public. And how the single candidate is chosen is a mystery to the public. I would also bet 99% of the public could not even name the leader of the EU, I would also bet 99% could not even name their MEP I take a high interest in politics and I could not name my MEP nor I am aware of anything the MEP has done. I don't doubt he or she works hard but they are entirely detached from the public gaze. That's not Democracy and I doubt the good people of Mauritius would tolerate being ruled like that 2 things there, in a number of countries the government is not elected directly by the public, for example US, France where you don't need to be an MP to be a minister. In UK and Mauritius, all ministers have to be elected as MP first and to be honest, I think this is not always good, sometimes I would prefer to have an expert economist as our finance minister for example. So saying the EU is undemocratic because of that would mean that France and the US are undemocratic as well. Also, if the public don't know their MEP, who is to blame, the public or the EU? In any case, for a number of decisions unanimous agreement is required by the country governments, like for example trade deals or other major decisions. If I said I want Mauritius to be ruled by the UK we will provide lots of benefits. I am guessing you would reject that ? Then why are you so opposed to the British people having freedom we voted to leave the EU yet you would overturn that. Don't you feel there is a degree of hypocracy there ?
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#627415 - 16/09/19 04:56 PM
Re: Who would you vote for in the next UK General Election?
[Re: Stanley Park]
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Liverpool Legend
Registered: 10/01/10
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The commission are the equivalent of the EU government they might be elected of the leaders of the countries but they are not elected by the public. And how the single candidate is chosen is a mystery to the public. I would also bet 99% of the public could not even name the leader of the EU, I would also bet 99% could not even name their MEP I take a high interest in politics and I could not name my MEP nor I am aware of anything the MEP has done. I don't doubt he or she works hard but they are entirely detached from the public gaze. That's not Democracy and I doubt the good people of Mauritius would tolerate being ruled like that 2 things there, in a number of countries the government is not elected directly by the public, for example US, France where you don't need to be an MP to be a minister. In UK and Mauritius, all ministers have to be elected as MP first and to be honest, I think this is not always good, sometimes I would prefer to have an expert economist as our finance minister for example. So saying the EU is undemocratic because of that would mean that France and the US are undemocratic as well. Also, if the public don't know their MEP, who is to blame, the public or the EU? In any case, for a number of decisions unanimous agreement is required by the country governments, like for example trade deals or other major decisions. If I said I want Mauritius to be ruled by the UK we will provide lots of benefits. I am guessing you would reject that ? Then why are you so opposed to the British people having freedom we voted to leave the EU yet you would overturn that. Don't you feel there is a degree of hypocracy there ? I would accept it if I am part of UK and I have same rights as UK citizens and a big part of the decision making process, especially if I am one of the countries having the biggest influence on decisions. I'll give you an example, the closest island to Mauritius is an island called Reunion, in fact it's at a 30 mins flight and has a population of less than 1 million. It is a French territory (not colony) basically a part of France where they use the EURO, yes 12000kms from France. Do they feel they are ruled by France? Don't think so, because they feel they are part of it. Do you think people in Gibraltar feel they are ruled by UK or the EU? Definitely not and I don't understand why you feel that way.
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