The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland

Posted by: Stanley Park

The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 12:43 PM

Varadkar has proved himself to be useful idiot for the EU. By allowing (in contrast to his predesssor) the Irish border to be weaponised to weaken the British negotiating position with the EU he has played a high stakes game with the living standards of the Irish people

A gamble that could backfire disasterously for the Republic

It goes either like

A deal cannot be agreed with the EU and johnson forces Britain out with no deal in three weeks

Or there is an election and johnson takes Britain out with no deal in January 2020 should johnson win which according to the polls he is favourite to do so.

This would be bad for Britain and Europe short term but their economies are big enough to withstand short term hits. Ireland has an economy that is almost entirely reliant on the U.K. and Northern Ireland consumers especially its agri industry

Ireland is also very badly in debt a seismic hit on its economy will mean it might need further bail outs. The EU has enough debt problems of its own now trying to prop up Southern Europe and Italy. Like last time the EU will leave Ireland to hang out to dry. Ireland will look to Britain but Britain has its own problems and given varadkars hostility to its biggest neighbour Britain this time might not be so forthcoming

This could result next year in real hardship in Ireland and it will be entirely varadkars doing he will be fine a job in the EU commission awaits for services rendered. The Irish people will have to take the hit Unfortunetly, fortunetly for them due to the 1923 agreement anyone in Ireland is welcome to live in the U.K.
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 01:48 PM

Oh dear.

Right wing English nationalist nut job threatens Ireland with economic ruin if it doesn't dance to Britain's tune on a football forum . All of Ireland quakes.

So there is no magical solution to the border problem after all. Surprise surprise.

Don't worry you will have an additional 3 months to come up with a solution when "Die in a Ditch" signs the extension.

" we aren't racists, we are characters".
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 02:09 PM

Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Oh dear.

Right wing English nationalist nut job threatens Ireland with economic ruin if it doesn't dance to Britain's tune on a football forum . All of Ireland quakes.

So there is no magical solution to the border problem after all. Surprise surprise.

Don't worry you will have an additional 3 months to come up with a solution when "Die in a Ditch" signs the extension.

" we aren't racists, we are characters".





What part of what I written was untrue and unlikely ? It looks a certainty if no brexit deal is agreed or we are forced to stay in the EU. If that comes it pass Ireland economically is in huge trouble. If you bother to read boris signing an extension is covered in my post but the extension could be for as little as 3 months. It's fine coming up with daft jibes
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 02:29 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Varadkar has proved himself to be useful idiot for the EU. By allowing (in contrast to his predesssor) the Irish border to be weaponised to weaken the British negotiating position with the EU he has played a high stakes game with the living standards of the Irish people

A gamble that could backfire disasterously for the Republic

It goes either like

A deal cannot be agreed with the EU and johnson forces Britain out with no deal in three weeks

Or there is an election and johnson takes Britain out with no deal in January 2020 should johnson win which according to the polls he is favourite to do so.

This would be bad for Britain and Europe short term but their economies are big enough to withstand short term hits. Ireland has an economy that is almost entirely reliant on the U.K. and Northern Ireland consumers especially its agri industry

Ireland is also very badly in debt a seismic hit on its economy will mean it might need further bail outs. The EU has enough debt problems of its own now trying to prop up Southern Europe and Italy. Like last time the EU will leave Ireland to hang out to dry. Ireland will look to Britain but Britain has its own problems and given varadkars hostility to its biggest neighbour Britain this time might not be so forthcoming

This could result next year in real hardship in Ireland and it will be entirely varadkars doing he will be fine a job in the EU commission awaits for services rendered. The Irish people will have to take the hit Unfortunetly, fortunetly for them due to the 1923 agreement anyone in Ireland is welcome to live in the U.K.


I wonder why peace in NI looks more important to the ROI than UK, do you know why?
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 02:32 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Oh dear.

Right wing English nationalist nut job threatens Ireland with economic ruin if it doesn't dance to Britain's tune on a football forum . All of Ireland quakes.

So there is no magical solution to the border problem after all. Surprise surprise.

Don't worry you will have an additional 3 months to come up with a solution when "Die in a Ditch" signs the extension.

" we aren't racists, we are characters".





What part of what I written was untrue and unlikely ? It looks a certainty if no brexit deal is agreed or we are forced to stay in the EU. If that comes it pass Ireland economically is in huge trouble. If you bother to read boris signing an extension is covered in my post but the extension could be for as little as 3 months. It's fine coming up with daft jibes


Your first post is the daftest jibe I have seen in quite some time.

A post created on ifs, buts and maybes. But primarily driven by the fact that you are angry because Ireland will no longer dance to England's tune.

The Tory party created this mess and it is up to the Tory party to come up with a workable solution.

Ireland and the EU are still waiting for a workable alternative to the backstop. Have you come up with a solution all on your own or will you just be resorting to more name calling?

#we aren't racists we are characters.
Posted by: Derek

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 02:36 PM

It's not a 'gamble' Stan...and we're a long way from 1923.
I know you won't remember but when this disaster started 2 years ago and you began raving about it the first question the Irish posters on here had was what happens with the border, not what happens to the economy, what happens to the border.
It's the elephant in the room and you and those you support are still too blind or arrogant or stupid to see it.
In Ireland it's about the border, it's always been about the border.
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 03:03 PM

Originally Posted By Derek
It's not a 'gamble' Stan...and we're a long way from 1923.
I know you won't remember but when this disaster started 2 years ago and you began raving about it the first question the Irish posters on here had was what happens with the border, not what happens to the economy, what happens to the border.
It's the elephant in the room and you and those you support are still too blind or arrogant or stupid to see it.
In Ireland it's about the border, it's always been about the border.


There is an agreement between Britain and Ireland since 1923 where there is freedom of movement between the two countries. I don't have any stats but I bet there are more Irish people living in Britain than Ireland entirely in harmony families workplace social the only hatred I see is on here with people still fighting battles of 400 years ago
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 03:07 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By Derek
It's not a 'gamble' Stan...and we're a long way from 1923.
I know you won't remember but when this disaster started 2 years ago and you began raving about it the first question the Irish posters on here had was what happens with the border, not what happens to the economy, what happens to the border.
It's the elephant in the room and you and those you support are still too blind or arrogant or stupid to see it.
In Ireland it's about the border, it's always been about the border.


There is an agreement between Britain and Ireland since 1923 where there is freedom of movement between the two countries. I don't have any stats but I bet there are more Irish people living in Britain than Ireland entirely in harmony families workplace social the only hatred I see is on here with people still fighting battles of 400 years ago


It looks like peace in NI is more important to ROI than England, do you understand why?
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 03:15 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By Derek
It's not a 'gamble' Stan...and we're a long way from 1923.
I know you won't remember but when this disaster started 2 years ago and you began raving about it the first question the Irish posters on here had was what happens with the border, not what happens to the economy, what happens to the border.
It's the elephant in the room and you and those you support are still too blind or arrogant or stupid to see it.
In Ireland it's about the border, it's always been about the border.


There is an agreement between Britain and Ireland since 1923 where there is freedom of movement between the two countries. I don't have any stats but I bet there are more Irish people living in Britain than Ireland entirely in harmony families workplace social the only hatred I see is on here with people still fighting battles of 400 years ago


I only see one person on here spouting hatred and that's you. If it isn't the Irish, it's Europeans, Muslims, Scots, blacks or socialists.

Ireland has moved on and bears no resemblance to the country you visited 20 years ago. You should try doing the same.

The border in Ireland was created and enforced by Britain not Ireland It is of course a British border and it is appropriate that Britain should be tasked with solving the problems it is now creating.

#we aren't racists we are characters
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 03:26 PM

Calling British soldiers terrorists shows you for what you are an IRA sympathiser no one else would say that and I have met people like you in real life I can smell the hatred immediately

I also have noticed you don't condemn the IRA Directly you condemn all violence that's exactly the language the IRA used in the 80,s. When they murdered civilians they claimed it was the result of British oppression not them. Your last post also mentions British imposed border again the language of the IRA. The majority in Northern Ireland don't agree with you and would see you for what you are a sectarian extremist
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 03:39 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Calling British soldiers terrorists shows you for what you are an IRA sympathiser no one else would say that and I have met people like you in real life I can smell the hatred immediately

I also have noticed you don't condemn the IRA Directly you condemn all violence that's exactly the language the IRA used in the 80,s. When they murdered civilians they claimed it was the result of British oppression not them. Your last post also mentions British imposed border again the language of the IRA. The majority in Northern Ireland don't agree with you and would see you for what you are a sectarian extremist


You have rumbled us, everyone in Ireland is in the RA.

Get all that hatred out Stan. Tell me, who comes in and puts all your toys back in your pram when you drop off to sleep?

Question: Who imposed the border in Ireland?
Answer: Britain.
Your response:,Shout about the IRA a lot.

On the subject of the IRA are you still voting for the Brexit Party given that they have an elected representative that condones IRA violence?

Now that you have your weekly IRA rant out of your system do you have any workable solutions to the border problem? Anything?
Posted by: Derek

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 03:43 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By Derek
It's not a 'gamble' Stan...and we're a long way from 1923.
I know you won't remember but when this disaster started 2 years ago and you began raving about it the first question the Irish posters on here had was what happens with the border, not what happens to the economy, what happens to the border.
It's the elephant in the room and you and those you support are still too blind or arrogant or stupid to see it.
In Ireland it's about the border, it's always been about the border.


There is an agreement between Britain and Ireland since 1923 where there is freedom of movement between the two countries. I don't have any stats but I bet there are more Irish people living in Britain than Ireland entirely in harmony families workplace social the only hatred I see is on here with people still fighting battles of 400 years ago


Where's the hatred in what I just said? The amount of Irish living in UK has nothing to do with anything, except that it exposes the fact the you think Ireland somehow owes the UK something.
You can choose to ignore the border but that's what it's all about.
You continue to fall back on insults because that's all you have left, have you noticed that every Irish person that disagrees with you is branded a terrorist ?
So, where's the hatred (your word not mine) in what I said?
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 04:06 PM

To my knowledge no one is talking about installing a hard border in Ireland it's simply a weaponised tactic to drive concessions from Britain but the republic will pay a very high price if it leads to no deal
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 04:10 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
To my knowledge no one is talking about installing a hard border in Ireland it's simply a weaponised tactic to drive concessions from Britain but the republic will pay a very high price if it leads to no deal


Your PM talked about a remote check point himself, isn't it? Why do you need a check point if you don't have a border and how can you have different custom tariffs and standards if you don't have a border? And how do you stop free movement without a border?
Posted by: EMP

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 04:37 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Calling British soldiers terrorists shows you for what you are an IRA sympathiser no one else would say that and I have met people like you in real life I can smell the hatred immediately

I also have noticed you don't condemn the IRA Directly you condemn all violence that's exactly the language the IRA used in the 80,s. When they murdered civilians they claimed it was the result of British oppression not them. Your last post also mentions British imposed border again the language of the IRA. The majority in Northern Ireland don't agree with you and would see you for what you are a sectarian extremist


Nothing wrong with condeming all violence ..ira , unionist and british military terrorism. All are a disgrace. You however only recognize IRA terrorism which is stupid ignorant and dangerous
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 04:39 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
To my knowledge no one is talking about installing a hard border in Ireland it's simply a weaponised tactic to drive concessions from Britain but the republic will pay a very high price if it leads to no deal


If you had any sense you would ask Dunk to lock this thread to stop you making a bigger show of yourself.
Posted by: EMP

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 04:41 PM

He needs these threads to vent his stupidity, black panther 2 won't be out for a few years
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 04:44 PM

Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
To my knowledge no one is talking about installing a hard border in Ireland it's simply a weaponised tactic to drive concessions from Britain but the republic will pay a very high price if it leads to no deal


If you had any sense you would ask Dunk to lock this thread to stop you making a bigger show of yourself.


I have never known you respond with an intelligent reasoned answer and I know I never will
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 04:46 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
To my knowledge no one is talking about installing a hard border in Ireland it's simply a weaponised tactic to drive concessions from Britain but the republic will pay a very high price if it leads to no deal


If you had any sense you would ask Dunk to lock this thread to stop you making a bigger show of yourself.


I have never known you respond with an intelligent reasoned answer and I know I never will


Every time, every single time grin
Posted by: Markhutch1

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 04:56 PM

City lost, by the way.
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 06/10/19 04:59 PM

Originally Posted By Markhutch1
City lost, by the way.


I blame the IRA
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 07/10/19 10:16 PM

Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Markhutch1
City lost, by the way.


I blame the IRA


You will never blame the IRA
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 08/10/19 03:15 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Markhutch1
City lost, by the way.


I blame the IRA


You will never blame the IRA


I have changed my mind. I blame Merkel instead.
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 09/10/19 12:33 PM

I still think there will be a deal at the 11th hour no evidence just a gut feel

However if not no deal looks very likely more likely than ever now
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 09/10/19 12:40 PM

[quote=Stanley Park]I still think there will be a deal at the 11th hour no evidence just a gut feel

However if not no deal looks very likely more likely than ever now [/quot

That's indigestion.
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 09/10/19 12:56 PM

my stomach has more brains than parliament probably the worst set of politicians for 400 years since parliament began
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 09/10/19 04:10 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
my stomach has more brains than parliament probably the worst set of politicians for 400 years since parliament began


Really? Looks to me that you think too highly of yourself. You should have agreed with me 3 years back that Brexit was very complicated, you still can though but you'll have to swallow some pride. In any case you can try to become an MP to sort things out or create your own party.
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 09/10/19 06:20 PM

Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
my stomach has more brains than parliament probably the worst set of politicians for 400 years since parliament began


Really? Looks to me that you think too highly of yourself. You should have agreed with me 3 years back that Brexit was very complicated, you still can though but you'll have to swallow some pride. In any case you can try to become an MP to sort things out or create your own party.


Brexit is simple it's the politics that's complicated if the British parliament had spent a millionth of the amount of time on formulating a deal than on squabbling or trying to stop brexit it could have been agreed two years ago. I will admit though three years ago I had not appreciated just how corrupt our parliament was
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 09/10/19 06:46 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
my stomach has more brains than parliament probably the worst set of politicians for 400 years since parliament began


Really? Looks to me that you think too highly of yourself. You should have agreed with me 3 years back that Brexit was very complicated, you still can though but you'll have to swallow some pride. In any case you can try to become an MP to sort things out or create your own party.


Brexit is simple it's the politics that's complicated if the British parliament had spent a millionth of the amount of time on formulating a deal than on squabbling or trying to stop brexit it could have been agreed two years ago. I will admit though three years ago I had not appreciated just how corrupt our parliament was


No it's not simple at all, this is why your country is so divided and who is corrupting your MPs, the EU? I think you are losing your mind or you have a too simplistic view of politics.
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 09/10/19 07:31 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
my stomach has more brains than parliament probably the worst set of politicians for 400 years since parliament began


Really? Looks to me that you think too highly of yourself. You should have agreed with me 3 years back that Brexit was very complicated, you still can though but you'll have to swallow some pride. In any case you can try to become an MP to sort things out or create your own party.


Brexit is simple it's the politics that's complicated if the British parliament had spent a millionth of the amount of time on formulating a deal than on squabbling or trying to stop brexit it could have been agreed two years ago. I will admit though three years ago I had not appreciated just how corrupt our parliament was


Brexit is simple.

Oh dear.

I really fear for your country.
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 09/10/19 07:38 PM

what's complicated about brexit ? Other than the politics ? Remember we never had a vote to join the EU that was because they knew we would vote no. When reluctantly they gave us a vote and bombarded us with lies and project fear the British still voted to leave

Parliament while working with the EU has done everything in its power and beyond to overturn that vote. They are even preventing elections in case we give Johnson a majority

We are democratically no better than a third world corrupt state
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 09/10/19 07:46 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
what's complicated about brexit ? Other than the politics ? Remember we never had a vote to join the EU that was because they knew we would vote no. When reluctantly they gave us a vote and bombarded us with lies and project fear the British still voted to leave

Parliament while working with the EU has done everything in its power and beyond to overturn that vote. They are even preventing elections in case we give Johnson a majority

We are democratically no better than a third world corrupt state


The theme from the dam busters should really be playing in the background.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 10/10/19 12:33 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
what's complicated about brexit ? Other than the politics ? Remember we never had a vote to join the EU that was because they knew we would vote no. When reluctantly they gave us a vote and bombarded us with lies and project fear the British still voted to leave

Parliament while working with the EU has done everything in its power and beyond to overturn that vote. They are even preventing elections in case we give Johnson a majority

We are democratically no better than a third world corrupt state


To get a deal that's not going to make people's life worse maybe. Otherwise, wasn't there a deal on the table which Brexiters in your government refused? The opposition is never supposed to vote for the government. So it's not the remainers who made life difficult, I think they all voted for May's deal.
Posted by: Markhutch1

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 10/10/19 12:49 PM

No wonder everyone from third world countries are being given visas to the UK.

Because they will feel at home here,except for the weather.
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 10/10/19 12:53 PM

Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
what's complicated about brexit ? Other than the politics ? Remember we never had a vote to join the EU that was because they knew we would vote no. When reluctantly they gave us a vote and bombarded us with lies and project fear the British still voted to leave

Parliament while working with the EU has done everything in its power and beyond to overturn that vote. They are even preventing elections in case we give Johnson a majority

We are democratically no better than a third world corrupt state


To get a deal that's not going to make people's life worse maybe. Otherwise, wasn't there a deal on the table which Brexiters in your government refused? The opposition is never supposed to vote for the government. So it's not the remainers who made life difficult, I think they all voted for May's deal.


Where do you get the idea the opposition never vote with the government ? They vote with the government all the time. Many of the acts both parties agree. For example an act to stop domestic violence do you think labour MP would vote against it because a Tory brought the motion ? Tell me this what have MP,s done in the last three and a half years positively to agree a solution ? I watch britains politics every day and pretty much nothing is my conclusion if you know different I would be interested in you telling me what it is ?
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 10/10/19 04:51 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
what's complicated about brexit ? Other than the politics ? Remember we never had a vote to join the EU that was because they knew we would vote no. When reluctantly they gave us a vote and bombarded us with lies and project fear the British still voted to leave

Parliament while working with the EU has done everything in its power and beyond to overturn that vote. They are even preventing elections in case we give Johnson a majority

We are democratically no better than a third world corrupt state


To get a deal that's not going to make people's life worse maybe. Otherwise, wasn't there a deal on the table which Brexiters in your government refused? The opposition is never supposed to vote for the government. So it's not the remainers who made life difficult, I think they all voted for May's deal.


Where do you get the idea the opposition never vote with the government ? They vote with the government all the time. Many of the acts both parties agree. For example an act to stop domestic violence do you think labour MP would vote against it because a Tory brought the motion ? Tell me this what have MP,s done in the last three and a half years positively to agree a solution ? I watch britains politics every day and pretty much nothing is my conclusion if you know different I would be interested in you telling me what it is ?


You mean across parties or within the Tories? I don't think there was anything across parties as the Tories negotiated the deal on their own without involving any part of the opposition. In fact I thought May made a mistake by not involving them but after what I saw when she tried, I don't think she had that as an option, she would have been sacked much earlier if she worked with the opposition. The big problem is that there are a lot of ways to leave the EU and in extreme ways, can't understand what you see simple in that. You should ask yourself why your country is so divided.
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 10/10/19 05:15 PM

Our country is divided because many of our politicians are trying to overturn the 2016 and trashing our centuries old democracy and precedent and using the courts

However I don't think it's as divided as you think there is politicians and then there is the person in the street. You only here about the former on sky news

I wager the vast majority of British people however they voted simply want brexit implemented and be done with it. The idea of running another referendum as some politicians want is insane especially as it will almost certainly be rigged in the voting options so remain wins. Look what the Labour Party are wanting to do agree a deal then campaign against their own deal for remain. That would never be accepted and seen as little more than a joke

So I don't accept our country is divided come over here and see if you don't believe me rather than taking everything off biased media channels
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 10/10/19 05:28 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Our country is divided because many of our politicians are trying to overturn the 2016 and trashing our centuries old democracy and precedent and using the courts

However I don't think it's as divided as you think there is politicians and then there is the person in the street. You only here about the former on sky news

I wager the vast majority of British people however they voted simply want brexit implemented and be done with it. The idea of running another referendum as some politicians want is insane especially as it will almost certainly be rigged in the voting options so remain wins. Look what the Labour Party are wanting to do agree a deal then campaign against their own deal for remain. That would never be accepted and seen as little more than a joke

So I don't accept our country is divided come over here and see if you don't believe me rather than taking everything off biased media channels


Two British guys I know one lives in London and is a remainer and the other one lives in Kent and voted Brexit told me that they prefer not to discuss Brexit among friends and even family as it never ends well, the London guy told me that relationship even soured with some and ending up stop to talk to each other.
Posted by: lumba

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 10/10/19 07:15 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrDRpMF19Qo
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 10/10/19 08:45 PM

Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Our country is divided because many of our politicians are trying to overturn the 2016 and trashing our centuries old democracy and precedent and using the courts

However I don't think it's as divided as you think there is politicians and then there is the person in the street. You only here about the former on sky news

I wager the vast majority of British people however they voted simply want brexit implemented and be done with it. The idea of running another referendum as some politicians want is insane especially as it will almost certainly be rigged in the voting options so remain wins. Look what the Labour Party are wanting to do agree a deal then campaign against their own deal for remain. That would never be accepted and seen as little more than a joke

So I don't accept our country is divided come over here and see if you don't believe me rather than taking everything off biased media channels


Two British guys I know one lives in London and is a remainer and the other one lives in Kent and voted Brexit told me that they prefer not to discuss Brexit among friends and even family as it never ends well, the London guy told me that relationship even soured with some and ending up stop to talk to each other.


I apologise I did not realise you knew TWO british people well that proves your point then as only 6 people live in britain and you know a third of them
Posted by: EMP

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 10/10/19 10:21 PM

well it now seems boris is willing to throw the DUP under the bus, surprise surprise.. what a joke he is, a mess the tories are creating. please vote in some adults will ya please.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 11/10/19 01:48 AM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Our country is divided because many of our politicians are trying to overturn the 2016 and trashing our centuries old democracy and precedent and using the courts

However I don't think it's as divided as you think there is politicians and then there is the person in the street. You only here about the former on sky news

I wager the vast majority of British people however they voted simply want brexit implemented and be done with it. The idea of running another referendum as some politicians want is insane especially as it will almost certainly be rigged in the voting options so remain wins. Look what the Labour Party are wanting to do agree a deal then campaign against their own deal for remain. That would never be accepted and seen as little more than a joke

So I don't accept our country is divided come over here and see if you don't believe me rather than taking everything off biased media channels


Two British guys I know one lives in London and is a remainer and the other one lives in Kent and voted Brexit told me that they prefer not to discuss Brexit among friends and even family as it never ends well, the London guy told me that relationship even soured with some and ending up stop to talk to each other.


I apologise I did not realise you knew TWO british people well that proves your point then as only 6 people live in britain and you know a third of them


Don't be silly, it doesn't prove my point but it confirms a bit what I hear on the news regarding your divided nation, when I watch the protests just outside your parliament everyday, the 1m people marching for a people's vote and the disputes even on this forum. Now if you tell me all is fine and there is no such division, so be it, it's not going to change my life.
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 11/10/19 12:41 PM

One million people marching for a people's vote smile really when did that happen then ? I remember a march a few months ago where 200k marched most of them bussed in paid for by Soros and rich remainers Jamie caragher paid for a coach from Liverpool who isn't going to turn down a free day in London ?

London is the base for professional protesters who protest about anything from climate change to president trump funny enough there's always about 200k more than likely the same people on every protest

Meanwhile boris and varadkar sit down for two hours and agree a pathway to solve brexit funny how it's suddenly not complicated once the political posturing stops

A different world when you don't live your life through sky news and live in the real world
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 11/10/19 01:51 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
One million people marching for a people's vote smile really when did that happen then ? I remember a march a few months ago where 200k marched most of them bussed in paid for by Soros and rich remainers Jamie caragher paid for a coach from Liverpool who isn't going to turn down a free day in London ?

London is the base for professional protesters who protest about anything from climate change to president trump funny enough there's always about 200k more than likely the same people on every protest

Meanwhile boris and varadkar sit down for two hours and agree a pathway to solve brexit funny how it's suddenly not complicated once the political posturing stops

A different world when you don't live your life through sky news and live in the real world


If you say so...all the best then.
Posted by: lumba

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 11/10/19 02:11 PM

I'm glad i don't live in Stan's world.
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 11/10/19 05:11 PM

Originally Posted By lumba
I'm glad i don't live in Stan's world.


So am I
Posted by: lumba

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 11/10/19 07:14 PM

Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 14/10/19 05:54 PM

As we get to the wire the mood changes and funny enough the insolvable problem suddenly becomes solvable with the same solution we were discussing 18 months ago.

Funny old world we live in funny not in the amusing sense how many businesses and people's lives have been disrupted while the politicians play their stupid games ?
Posted by: lumba

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 14/10/19 07:01 PM

Hey..Good times . Utopia here we come.
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 14/10/19 08:24 PM

Originally Posted By lumba
Hey..Good times . Utopia here we come.


There is a two year transition period you are free to move to the EU anytime you like even after that you can still move to the Republic of Ireland and live in the lovely EU. I bet you don't though
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 14/10/19 08:30 PM

Originally Posted By lumba
Hey..Good times . Utopia here we come.


Why does utopia only happen within the EU?
Posted by: lumba

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 02:34 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By lumba
Hey..Good times . Utopia here we come.


There is a two year transition period you are free to move to the EU anytime you like even after that you can still move to the Republic of Ireland and live in the lovely EU. I bet you don't though
If i could Stan i would be out of this shithole and back over in Europe before you could say, fukkk you.
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 03:08 PM

Originally Posted By lumba
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By lumba
Hey..Good times . Utopia here we come.


There is a two year transition period you are free to move to the EU anytime you like even after that you can still move to the Republic of Ireland and live in the lovely EU. I bet you don't though
If i could Stan i would be out of this shithole and back over in Europe before you could say, fukkk you.


Ah Stan's mask slips and the little englander speaks.

#we aren't racists we are characters.

It has taken 3.5 years to get close to agreeing a withdrawal agreement.


How long will it take to agree a trade agreement.

As Merkel said earlier today, the UK will now be a competitor to the EU. Good luck winning concessions there.

Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 03:12 PM

if you are thick as mince call everyone opposing you racist because you can't formulate an argument of your own.

If you want racism go on the continent you will find no shortage of far right nut cases there as the england team found out last night.

One sure way to bring extremist parties to power stop democracy then people look to alternatives
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 03:14 PM

Originally Posted By lumba
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By lumba
Hey..Good times . Utopia here we come.


There is a two year transition period you are free to move to the EU anytime you like even after that you can still move to the Republic of Ireland and live in the lovely EU. I bet you don't though
If i could Stan i would be out of this shithole and back over in Europe before you could say, fukkk you.


Nothing stopping you going is there ? if you think this nation is a shithole then the sooner you go the better
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 03:42 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
if you are thick as mince call everyone opposing you racist because you can't formulate an argument of your own.

If you want racism go on the continent you will find no shortage of far right nut cases there as the england team found out last night.

One sure way to bring extremist parties to power stop democracy then people look to alternatives


You are a very angry little man these days.

Take a holiday to Europe (whilst it's still stress free) and forget about Brexit for a while.
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 03:52 PM

Why would going to Europe not be stress free? The worst that can happen is you’ll need a visa.
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 04:15 PM

Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Why would going to Europe not be stress free? The worst that can happen is you’ll need a visa.


Well in the event of a No Deal the UK will become a 3rd country.

So in that case just pray that you don't take ill as your EHIC card which entitles you to state funded medical treatment in the EU will no longer be valid.

Think long and hard about what personal possessions you bring with you as you will be subject to restrictions that were wavered when you were part of the EU.

Take the bus were possible as you will need an International Driving Permit and an Insurance Green Card if you fancy hiring a car, as a member of the EU you currently don't need either.

Oh and there is every chance that as a citizen of a 3rd country you will need a visa.

Apart from that it will be absolutely stress free. But you will have your blue passport to console you.
Posted by: Markhutch1

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 04:16 PM

Yes.

Tenerife,Gran Canaria and Lanzarote are part of the EU and lie off the West African coast.

They must be in Europe then?
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 04:29 PM

Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Why would going to Europe not be stress free? The worst that can happen is you’ll need a visa.


Well in the event of a No Deal the UK will become a 3rd country.

So in that case just pray that you don't take ill as your EHIC card which entitles you to state funded medical treatment in the EU will no longer be valid.

Think long and hard about what personal possessions you bring with you as you will be subject to restrictions that were wavered when you were part of the EU.

Take the bus were possible as you will need an International Driving Permit and an Insurance Green Card if you fancy hiring a car, as a member of the EU you currently don't need either.

Oh and there is every chance that as a citizen of a 3rd country you will need a visa.

Apart from that it will be absolutely stress free. But you will have your blue passport to console you.







Oh no! I’ll never leave the house again!

Jeez are you part of project fear now? You’re basically saying it’ll be like going to the US or some such other country outside the EU. Dead stressful that and something that no one in this country does because it’s so stressful.

And I couldn’t give a turd what colour my passport is so why does that matter?

My word.
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 04:52 PM

Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Why would going to Europe not be stress free? The worst that can happen is you’ll need a visa.


Well in the event of a No Deal the UK will become a 3rd country.

So in that case just pray that you don't take ill as your EHIC card which entitles you to state funded medical treatment in the EU will no longer be valid.

Think long and hard about what personal possessions you bring with you as you will be subject to restrictions that were wavered when you were part of the EU.

Take the bus were possible as you will need an International Driving Permit and an Insurance Green Card if you fancy hiring a car, as a member of the EU you currently don't need either.

Oh and there is every chance that as a citizen of a 3rd country you will need a visa.

Apart from that it will be absolutely stress free. But you will have your blue passport to console you.







Oh no! I’ll never leave the house again!

Jeez are you part of project fear now? You’re basically saying it’ll be like going to the US or some such other country outside the EU. Dead stressful that and something that no one in this country does because it’s so stressful.

And I couldn’t give a turd what colour my passport is so why does that matter?

My word.


You fill your boots and go where you like. You asked why it would be stressful travelling to Europe and I gave you some examples.

Obviously when you travel to Europe you never drive, take sick or carry personal possessions.

However plenty of others do.

But sure everything is project fear now.
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 04:57 PM

Even with no deal brexit you won't need a visa to go to Europe yes you might need to take out travel insurance.....big deal

if that's the only reason to stay in the EU thank god we are leaving
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 05:08 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Even with no deal brexit you won't need a visa to go to Europe yes you might need to take out travel insurance.....big deal

if that's the only reason to stay in the EU thank god we are leaving


Of course it's not the only reason.

However it is looking like we in N. Ireland will not be forced to leave after all so whatever happens wont effect us as badly.



Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 05:13 PM

Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Even with no deal brexit you won't need a visa to go to Europe yes you might need to take out travel insurance.....big deal

if that's the only reason to stay in the EU thank god we are leaving


Of course it's not the only reason.

However it is looking like we in N. Ireland will not be forced to leave after all so whatever happens wont effect us.





Then you know more than I do and the British press as no deal has been announced yet. but if it suits your community great all I care is we leave as we voted to do
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 05:21 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Even with no deal brexit you won't need a visa to go to Europe yes you might need to take out travel insurance.....big deal

if that's the only reason to stay in the EU thank god we are leaving


Of course it's not the only reason.

However it is looking like we in N. Ireland will not be forced to leave after all so whatever happens wont effect us.





Then you know more than I do and the British press as no deal has been announced yet. but if it suits your community great all I care is we leave as we voted to do


Tony [email protected]

"Second source confirms text on a Brexit deal taking shape, but “we’re not over the line yet”

This guy is never far off the mark.
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 05:49 PM

A deal is clearly taking shape right at the last minute exactly as I said it would

And I bet when we do see the deal it's not in the least complicated just common sense politics is not about doing what's right its a game. What the purpose of that game is I have no idea and I don't think I ever will
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 05:50 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
A deal is clearly taking shape right at the last minute exactly as I said it would

And I bet when we do see the deal it's not in the least complicated just common sense politics is not about doing what's right its a game. What the purpose of that game is I have no idea and I don't think I ever will


It is May's deal with a different coloured bow.
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 05:57 PM

Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Why would going to Europe not be stress free? The worst that can happen is you’ll need a visa.


Well in the event of a No Deal the UK will become a 3rd country.

So in that case just pray that you don't take ill as your EHIC card which entitles you to state funded medical treatment in the EU will no longer be valid.

Think long and hard about what personal possessions you bring with you as you will be subject to restrictions that were wavered when you were part of the EU.

Take the bus were possible as you will need an International Driving Permit and an Insurance Green Card if you fancy hiring a car, as a member of the EU you currently don't need either.

Oh and there is every chance that as a citizen of a 3rd country you will need a visa.

Apart from that it will be absolutely stress free. But you will have your blue passport to console you.







Oh no! I’ll never leave the house again!

Jeez are you part of project fear now? You’re basically saying it’ll be like going to the US or some such other country outside the EU. Dead stressful that and something that no one in this country does because it’s so stressful.

And I couldn’t give a turd what colour my passport is so why does that matter?

My word.


You fill your boots and go where you like. You asked why it would be stressful travelling to Europe and I gave you some examples.

Obviously when you travel to Europe you never drive, take sick or carry personal possessions.

However plenty of others do.

But sure everything is project fear now.


It’s no more stressful than going anywhere else. You’re just weakly clutching at straws to make out it will be.

I have driven in Europe but normally fly but what you’ve said is no worse than when I went and drove in the US.

I always get travel insurance no matter where I go and so will any sensible person so what’s different there?

Weak examples of a non issue just because you don’t want brexit.
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 06:05 PM

Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
A deal is clearly taking shape right at the last minute exactly as I said it would

And I bet when we do see the deal it's not in the least complicated just common sense politics is not about doing what's right its a game. What the purpose of that game is I have no idea and I don't think I ever will


It is May's deal with a different coloured bow.



It's fundamentally different in Mays deal potentially we could have been stuck in the customs union indefinitely in Johnson's deal the backstop is dead replaced by agreed arrangements which we should see next few days all being well. It will involve compromise on all sides as all agreements do
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 06:14 PM

Yeah that will be it. All the things you don't have to do now, you will have to do when you leave with no deal, but that will be absolutely no problem.

Well hurray for you. Unfortunately not everyone is as adaptable, understanding and wonderful as you.

May I remind you that we were told brexit would improve our lives.
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 06:35 PM

Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Yeah that will be it. All the things you don't have to do now, you will have to do when you leave with no deal, but that will be absolutely no problem.

Well hurray for you. Unfortunately not everyone is as adaptable, understanding and wonderful as you.

May I remind you that we were told brexit would improve our lives.


My worry is there are still a big group of MP,s trying to stop brexit and will vote down any deal the Labour Party are even talking about sacking any MP that votes for the deal even before they have seen what the deal is. That's what we are dealing with. Whether your life improves is pretty much up to you and collectively it depends on the British people whether we are in the EU or not. If all you had to do to be successful was to be in the EU the whole world would be wanting to join or copy the model. The EU is one of the slowest growing economies in the world and rife with political unrest
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 07:04 PM

Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Yeah that will be it. All the things you don't have to do now, you will have to do when you leave with no deal, but that will be absolutely no problem.

Well hurray for you. Unfortunately not everyone is as adaptable, understanding and wonderful as you.

May I remind you that we were told brexit would improve our lives.


I think you underestimate those who want to travel. It’s a non issue simple as. Brexit May well improve our lives. Who knows. But having to make a tiny bit extra effort to go to Marbs is hardly going to ruin them.
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 07:05 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Yeah that will be it. All the things you don't have to do now, you will have to do when you leave with no deal, but that will be absolutely no problem.

Well hurray for you. Unfortunately not everyone is as adaptable, understanding and wonderful as you.

May I remind you that we were told brexit would improve our lives.


My worry is there are still a big group of MP,s trying to stop brexit and will vote down any deal the Labour Party are even talking about sacking any MP that votes for the deal even before they have seen what the deal is. That's what we are dealing with. Whether your life improves is pretty much up to you and collectively it depends on the British people whether we are in the EU or not. If all you had to do to be successful was to be in the EU the whole world would be wanting to join or copy the model. The EU is one of the slowest growing economies in the world and rife with political unrest


It’ll be like when May first presented her deal. Corbyn was saying it was the worst deal ever and in the same breath admitted he’d not even seen it. They’re pathetic and will vote this down for political reasons.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 09:14 PM

Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By Shaggydog
Yeah that will be it. All the things you don't have to do now, you will have to do when you leave with no deal, but that will be absolutely no problem.

Well hurray for you. Unfortunately not everyone is as adaptable, understanding and wonderful as you.

May I remind you that we were told brexit would improve our lives.


My worry is there are still a big group of MP,s trying to stop brexit and will vote down any deal the Labour Party are even talking about sacking any MP that votes for the deal even before they have seen what the deal is. That's what we are dealing with. Whether your life improves is pretty much up to you and collectively it depends on the British people whether we are in the EU or not. If all you had to do to be successful was to be in the EU the whole world would be wanting to join or copy the model. The EU is one of the slowest growing economies in the world and rife with political unrest


It’ll be like when May first presented her deal. Corbyn was saying it was the worst deal ever and in the same breath admitted he’d not even seen it. They’re pathetic and will vote this down for political reasons.


Why should labour vote for any deal that they were not involved in, it's up to the Tories to vote for their deal. Labour has said they want to stay in a customs Union with a number of rights preserved, if it's not in the negotiated deal it's legitimate for them to vote it down
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 15/10/19 09:34 PM

How about because their constituents voted leave and they promised to respect their vote ?

But let's say they vote it down because that's what they do ? What then ? What is their suggestion ?
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 16/10/19 06:26 AM

What Stan said. Opposition parties vote for things the government bring forward all the time.

The only reason labour will vote this down is to stop it happening and to try and for e their will on it. I would have said it’s to force an election but they’re scared now to take on BoJo so they’ll frustrate the process in the hope that people turn against him up to a point that they think they can win. It’s all for their own good and gain and not for the good of the country.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 16/10/19 06:27 AM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
How about because their constituents voted leave and they promised to respect their vote ?

But let's say they vote it down because that's what they do ? What then ? What is their suggestion ?


Yes their constituents voted leave but Labour have their own version of it, they have said a number of times that they want to stay in a customs Union with workers rights preserved, looks to me that such a deal can be negotiated with the EU which will also solve the Irish border which I assumed is not very important for a majority of Brexiters.

My suggestion is simple, if the MPs cannot agree on a deal, then let the people decide, simpler than the easiest deal in history, don't you think?
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 16/10/19 06:31 AM

Originally Posted By wilkij1975
What Stan said. Opposition parties vote for things the government bring forward all the time.

The only reason labour will vote this down is to stop it happening and to try and for e their will on it. I would have said it’s to force an election but they’re scared now to take on BoJo so they’ll frustrate the process in the hope that people turn against him up to a point that they think they can win. It’s all for their own good and gain and not for the good of the country.


All the time, really? Why is it so important for the government to have a majority then? Yes, they do vote for the government policies if not controversial or after adding amendments. Let's say the government wants to introduce tax cuts for the rich, do you think Labour will vote for it?
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 16/10/19 08:32 AM

Vish in English all the time means all the time

In English slang all the time means some of the time
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 16/10/19 09:29 AM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Vish in English all the time means all the time

In English slang all the time means some of the time


Thanks for the info, I only know some English and very limited slang, good to know.
Posted by: wilkij1975

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 16/10/19 01:26 PM

Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
What Stan said. Opposition parties vote for things the government bring forward all the time.

The only reason labour will vote this down is to stop it happening and to try and for e their will on it. I would have said it’s to force an election but they’re scared now to take on BoJo so they’ll frustrate the process in the hope that people turn against him up to a point that they think they can win. It’s all for their own good and gain and not for the good of the country.


All the time, really? Why is it so important for the government to have a majority then? Yes, they do vote for the government policies if not controversial or after adding amendments. Let's say the government wants to introduce tax cuts for the rich, do you think Labour will vote for it?


Yes all the time. A majority is of course important but you’re assuming that all in government vote with the government which doesn’t always happen. Who they vote with will depend on what they’re voting for.

There’s a bill coming for domestic abuse brought by the government. Do you think labour will vote against that? For your example no labour wouldn’t vote for that ad neither would a good amount of conservatives so a majority government might not even get that through.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 16/10/19 08:41 PM

Originally Posted By wilkij1975
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By wilkij1975
What Stan said. Opposition parties vote for things the government bring forward all the time.

The only reason labour will vote this down is to stop it happening and to try and for e their will on it. I would have said it’s to force an election but they’re scared now to take on BoJo so they’ll frustrate the process in the hope that people turn against him up to a point that they think they can win. It’s all for their own good and gain and not for the good of the country.


All the time, really? Why is it so important for the government to have a majority then? Yes, they do vote for the government policies if not controversial or after adding amendments. Let's say the government wants to introduce tax cuts for the rich, do you think Labour will vote for it?


Yes all the time. A majority is of course important but you’re assuming that all in government vote with the government which doesn’t always happen. Who they vote with will depend on what they’re voting for.

There’s a bill coming for domestic abuse brought by the government. Do you think labour will vote against that? For your example no labour wouldn’t vote for that ad neither would a good amount of conservatives so a majority government might not even get that through.


As I said, if it's not controversial and when opposition amendments have been approved they all vote for them. However, the type of deal is highly controversial, not only between government and opposition but even within the parties, specially the Tories who are trying everything possible to recoup UKIP voters
Posted by: EMP

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 16/10/19 09:54 PM

better to blame labour for not voting for it especially since its the tories in power for near a decade , their moronic referendum (with zero thought into it) their majority (most of the time) and their bundling failures again and again..but blame labour lol
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 16/10/19 10:15 PM

Originally Posted By EMP
better to blame labour for not voting for it especially since its the tories in power for near a decade , their moronic referendum (with zero thought into it) their majority (most of the time) and their bundling failures again and again..but blame labour lol


What do you care ? Neither are political parties in your country as for the Republic of Ireland's political parties I tend to keep my nose out of them none of my business how the Irish vote
Posted by: Markhutch1

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 16/10/19 10:37 PM

The Nice treaty in 2001 and Lisbon treaty in 2008 were rejected in Ireland in referendums.

In order to turn the results around, second referendums were held which reversed the results.
Posted by: EMP

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 16/10/19 10:40 PM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By EMP
better to blame labour for not voting for it especially since its the tories in power for near a decade , their moronic referendum (with zero thought into it) their majority (most of the time) and their bundling failures again and again..but blame labour lol


What do you care ? Neither are political parties in your country as for the Republic of Ireland's political parties I tend to keep my nose out of them none of my business how the Irish vote


Be great if it was none of my business either, alas the tories have a horrible record of messing up my country.
Posted by: EMP

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 16/10/19 10:43 PM

Originally Posted By Markhutch1
The Nice treaty in 2001 and Lisbon treaty in 2008 were rejected in Ireland in referendums.

In order to turn the results around, second referendums were held which reversed the results.



wow really..i didn't know that
Posted by: Markhutch1

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 17/10/19 12:11 AM

Dont you think the two rerun referendums are something you might expect to happen in Zimbabwe rather than ROI?
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 17/10/19 04:36 AM

Originally Posted By Markhutch1
Dont you think the two rerun referendums are something you might expect to happen in Zimbabwe rather than ROI?


Referendums are usually re-run after changes brought in the treaty, I don't know about what happened in ROI, probably those from there could share.
Posted by: Shaggydog

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 17/10/19 07:10 AM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By EMP
better to blame labour for not voting for it especially since its the tories in power for near a decade , their moronic referendum (with zero thought into it) their majority (most of the time) and their bundling failures again and again..but blame labour lol


What do you care ? Neither are political parties in your country as for the Republic of Ireland's political parties I tend to keep my nose out of them none of my business how the Irish vote


You were extolling the virtues of the leader of the DUP on here.

Still impressed by Arelene this morning?

The reason why Irish people care is because we are going to be collateral damage in this ongoing tory civil war.
Posted by: Markhutch1

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 17/10/19 08:56 AM

The referendums were rerun because the public voted no.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 18/10/19 04:59 AM

Originally Posted By Markhutch1
The referendums were rerun because the public voted no.



Of course, but after some terms were changed.
Posted by: Markhutch1

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 18/10/19 09:14 AM

What were the terms that were changed?
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 18/10/19 03:19 PM

Originally Posted By Markhutch1
What were the terms that were changed?



Google it
Posted by: Markhutch1

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 18/10/19 03:32 PM

I have done so and there are no change of terms.

Just like a third world banana republic would do.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 18/10/19 09:41 PM

Originally Posted By Markhutch1
I have done so and there are no change of terms.

Just like a third world banana republic would do.



You should learn to Google then, what can I say, or should i rather say I am not surprised after reading some of your posts. I just copy a small part of the whole explanation as it might be too long for you to read.

"Accordingly, the Irish government renegotiated the terms of the Treaty, adding areas where Ireland would have specific exclusions,which could be presented in a second referendum"
Posted by: Markhutch1

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 19/10/19 06:15 AM

Are you talking about the Nice treaty or the Lisbon treaty?

Either way its a BS cover story.

Surprise! There were two referendums that were repeated.

Perhaps you should try getting yourself to Anfield for the first time, instead of telling English people whats best for them.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 19/10/19 08:07 AM

Originally Posted By Markhutch1
Are you talking about the Nice treaty or the Lisbon treaty?

Either way its a BS cover story.

Surprise! There were two referendums that were repeated.

Perhaps you should try getting yourself to Anfield for the first time, instead of telling English people whats best for them.


I've been to Anfield and I didn't know that the Brexit posts were reserved to British people only, should we ask Dunk? Otherwise that's exactly the spirit I thought Brexiters had, you know it all as you are from the Empire, shows great wisdom.
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 19/10/19 10:37 AM

I find it odd that people who quite understandably are opposed to historic emipires now want to support EU imperialism in 2019
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 19/10/19 11:18 AM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I find it odd that people who quite understandably are opposed to historic emipires now want to support EU imperialism in 2019


EU imperialism? I am not sure who they have as a colony, do you know how people lived in colonies? Are you saying the UK is a colony of the EU, you lost me there?
Posted by: Stanley Park

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 19/10/19 11:47 AM

Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I find it odd that people who quite understandably are opposed to historic emipires now want to support EU imperialism in 2019


EU imperialism? I am not sure who they have as a colony, do you know how people lived in colonies? Are you saying the UK is a colony of the EU, you lost me there?


How is the EU different in principle to the British empire yes some of the British empire was by force but much of it was political India for example became part of the British empire by politics pretty undemocratic politics yes but that's what the EU is about as well. In principle they are similar guy verh? Whatever his name is of the EU spoke at the lib dem conference that we are in an age of empires which is what the EU is surely ?
Posted by: Markhutch1

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 19/10/19 12:39 PM

Going to Anfield stadium and actually watching a game there are not the same.

A country which "apparently"is so against imperialism like Mauritius has now embraced the UN plan for eight Smart cities with China building them.

Then you have the cooperation with Israel whilst supporting Palestinian rights.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 19/10/19 12:51 PM

Originally Posted By Markhutch1
Going to Anfield stadium and actually watching a game there are not the same.

A country which "apparently"is so against imperialism like Mauritius has now embraced the UN plan for eight Smart cities with China building them.

Then you have the cooperation with Israel whilst supporting Palestinian rights.



China is building our smart Cities? Do you work in a circus or something? For your information a China company got concession to build one smart city and the rest are private, including one being done by the group I work for and it's only a property development scheme

I am not sure what you have against the UN and I hardly understand what you talk about, better give me a break.

Last I am not sure how Anfield gets in this post, you have a major problem mate.
Posted by: Markhutch1

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 19/10/19 01:17 PM

Property development scheme?

Im giving up with you.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 19/10/19 04:55 PM

Originally Posted By Markhutch1
Property development scheme?

Im giving up with you.



Yes good idea, you don't know what you are talking about. In your world the UN should disappear, not sure what to replace it with, NATO?
Posted by: Markhutch1

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 19/10/19 05:10 PM

Maybe you can drag yourself away from building communist bloc cities

long enough to watch The Team play in Liverpool.
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 19/10/19 07:34 PM

Originally Posted By Markhutch1
Maybe you can drag yourself away from building communist bloc cities

long enough to watch The Team play in Liverpool.


Which I've done you fool
Posted by: EnergisedReds

Re: The looming catastrophe for Republic of Ireland - 20/10/19 04:31 AM

Originally Posted By Stanley Park
Originally Posted By EnergisedReds
Originally Posted By Stanley Park
I find it odd that people who quite understandably are opposed to historic emipires now want to support EU imperialism in 2019


EU imperialism? I am not sure who they have as a colony, do you know how people lived in colonies? Are you saying the UK is a colony of the EU, you lost me there?


How is the EU different in principle to the British empire yes some of the British empire was by force but much of it was political India for example became part of the British empire by politics pretty undemocratic politics yes but that's what the EU is about as well. In principle they are similar guy verh? Whatever his name is of the EU spoke at the lib dem conference that we are in an age of empires which is what the EU is surely ?


Is the EU preventing the UK to leave, let alone by force? Comparing the EU to the British Empire is stupid, you are losing your mind in despair. You keep on banging about democracy, but democracy is not a one day thing, a vote on the deal will be the most democratic process as people will know much better what they vote for, while in the referendum is was more a blurred vision having each and everyone interpreting in their own way. Everybody knows why Brexiters are dead against it and it has nothing to do with democracy.